In this episode Monarey and I have a discussion about her life and how comedy has played a part in it. She opens up about the LA, NYC, and Austin comedy scenes and shares her experience navigating them. This is such a great conversation, and as a newer comic, I really learned a lot. It was awesome having someone with so much experience share her story! Thanks for coming on the show, Monarey! - Trey
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00:00:21 --> 00:00:34 Only Bombs Only Bombs Oh my God, yeah. So pardon
00:00:34 --> 00:00:36 me if it's still like that. No, you're totally
00:00:36 --> 00:00:38 fine, yeah. I used to work overnights too at
00:00:38 --> 00:00:42 a gas station a long time ago. But I get the
00:00:42 --> 00:00:45 nightlife job and I always bartended and worked
00:00:45 --> 00:00:49 in clubs and restaurants. So very much so a night
00:00:49 --> 00:00:53 owl. And yeah, I understand. I understand the
00:00:53 --> 00:00:57 struggle. Yeah. A lot of people just operate.
00:00:57 --> 00:01:00 better at nights, you know? I feel like I'm one
00:01:00 --> 00:01:04 of those people. Yeah. I feel like I wake up
00:01:04 --> 00:01:07 during nights and I struggle during the day to
00:01:07 --> 00:01:10 just stay functional or whatever. But I think,
00:01:10 --> 00:01:12 you know, that whole circadian rhythm thing.
00:01:12 --> 00:01:15 Yeah, it's real. Yeah. When you were working
00:01:15 --> 00:01:18 at a gas station, was that like, was that crazy?
00:01:18 --> 00:01:21 Yeah. I mean, I got robbed at some point for,
00:01:21 --> 00:01:23 so for sure. It was definitely pretty intense.
00:01:24 --> 00:01:27 Yeah. I worked there when I was, I think I was
00:01:27 --> 00:01:30 just turned 18. I, this is back in Buffalo, New
00:01:30 --> 00:01:33 York where I'm from. Niagara Falls, right? Yeah,
00:01:33 --> 00:01:36 Niagara Falls is like right there. Canada is
00:01:36 --> 00:01:39 like also like you can walk. I mean, you don't
00:01:39 --> 00:01:41 walk, but it's like a 10 minute walk. Canada
00:01:41 --> 00:01:45 is right there. But yeah, I was like saving up
00:01:45 --> 00:01:46 money because I knew I wanted to move to California.
00:01:46 --> 00:01:49 I knew I wanted to live in LA. And so I worked
00:01:49 --> 00:01:52 overnight at a gas station, and then I also worked
00:01:52 --> 00:01:55 at a Greek diner, and then I also was, this is
00:01:55 --> 00:01:57 like all the same time, and then I also did housekeeping
00:01:57 --> 00:02:00 at a motel in Buffalo, and it was awful. And
00:02:00 --> 00:02:03 I was just trying to save up my money and moved
00:02:03 --> 00:02:06 to California. And I got robbed at gunpoint,
00:02:06 --> 00:02:08 and I still had to work the next day. No. Yeah.
00:02:09 --> 00:02:11 Was this like a 7 -Eleven? No, it was called
00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 Sunoco. They have, I think there's one, I've
00:02:14 --> 00:02:18 seen one in Austin, like North. But Sunoco, I
00:02:18 --> 00:02:21 actually genuinely loved that job. It was like
00:02:21 --> 00:02:23 probably one of my favorite jobs. The pay wasn't
00:02:23 --> 00:02:25 great. You got paid like minimum wage, but it
00:02:25 --> 00:02:28 was so cool because like you work by yourself,
00:02:28 --> 00:02:31 especially if you are the overnight person. So
00:02:31 --> 00:02:33 you don't have a boss. You don't have anyone
00:02:33 --> 00:02:35 micromanaging you. Like you had all these like
00:02:35 --> 00:02:38 random customers. I remember like a lot of drug
00:02:38 --> 00:02:39 dealers used to come in. They would get money
00:02:39 --> 00:02:43 orders. Money orders. Yeah. And I'm not really
00:02:43 --> 00:02:45 sure why they needed money orders, but that's
00:02:45 --> 00:02:48 what they do. Um, but like all the cops would
00:02:48 --> 00:02:50 come in and you had like the donut man, the milk
00:02:50 --> 00:02:53 man, the Pepsi man. Um, you know, the guy that
00:02:53 --> 00:02:55 brought in the actual like gasoline. So you just
00:02:55 --> 00:02:59 had all these like regulars and, um, yeah, you,
00:02:59 --> 00:03:00 you're by yourself and as long as you got your
00:03:00 --> 00:03:03 stuff done, you were like chill. And so, um,
00:03:03 --> 00:03:07 yeah, I, I loved that job. Yeah. I have a bunch
00:03:07 --> 00:03:09 of jobs from like way back in the day that I'm
00:03:09 --> 00:03:10 like, man, I wish that could have been a thing.
00:03:11 --> 00:03:13 Yeah. And you just mentioned a second ago, like
00:03:13 --> 00:03:15 a Greek, like it was a Greek. A Greek diner.
00:03:15 --> 00:03:17 A Greek diner. Yeah, yeah. I worked at a, also
00:03:17 --> 00:03:19 worked at a Greek restaurant. Oh, nice. And I
00:03:19 --> 00:03:21 was like, man, it was just like such a cool vibe.
00:03:22 --> 00:03:23 All the people there were really, really cool.
00:03:23 --> 00:03:25 Yeah. But it just, you know, it was destined
00:03:25 --> 00:03:28 to like not be a thing, you know, to be like
00:03:28 --> 00:03:32 held on. For sure. So did you work during the
00:03:32 --> 00:03:35 day there? Yeah, I worked during the day at the
00:03:35 --> 00:03:37 Greek diner, Pegasus. And the gas station you
00:03:37 --> 00:03:39 worked during the day too? No, the gas station
00:03:39 --> 00:03:42 I worked overnight. I think our shift started
00:03:42 --> 00:03:46 at 11, and it was 11 at night till 7 in the morning.
00:03:47 --> 00:03:50 Man, when I think of the gas station, especially
00:03:50 --> 00:03:52 overnights, I'm like, that's when those creepy
00:03:52 --> 00:03:55 crawlies started happening. Oh, for sure. Yeah,
00:03:55 --> 00:03:57 I made friends with all the cops, and all the
00:03:57 --> 00:03:59 cops were like, Very nice to me, and I remember
00:03:59 --> 00:04:03 one of the cops, anytime I was having issues
00:04:03 --> 00:04:05 with, say, this stupid boy that I was dating,
00:04:05 --> 00:04:07 he'd be like, do you want me to go pull him over?
00:04:07 --> 00:04:10 And I'm like, yes, actually I do. But they would
00:04:10 --> 00:04:12 come in and check on me all the time, make sure
00:04:12 --> 00:04:18 I was okay. And so I was very rarely alone, alone.
00:04:19 --> 00:04:21 You'd have little moments, but I had so many
00:04:21 --> 00:04:24 regulars too. Yeah, I would get off at seven
00:04:24 --> 00:04:27 and then I would like try to like nap for an
00:04:27 --> 00:04:29 hour and I had to be at Pegasus, the Greek dinner
00:04:29 --> 00:04:31 at nine in the morning. So it's like, yeah, it
00:04:31 --> 00:04:34 was, I didn't, I still don't drink coffee to
00:04:34 --> 00:04:36 this day. I'm like, I never, I never, you know,
00:04:37 --> 00:04:40 use caffeine. I was just young and hungry and
00:04:40 --> 00:04:41 wanted to move to California. And I was like,
00:04:41 --> 00:04:45 this is what I got to do. And yeah, when I think
00:04:45 --> 00:04:47 back at it now, I'm like, I don't know how I
00:04:47 --> 00:04:50 survived, but. Yeah, that's off. I totally get
00:04:50 --> 00:04:54 it. Did you know why you wanted to move to California
00:04:54 --> 00:04:57 even back then? Yeah, I always knew that I wanted
00:04:57 --> 00:05:00 to do something with comedy, writing, performing.
00:05:01 --> 00:05:04 Oh, wow. So when I was real young, at first I
00:05:04 --> 00:05:06 always wanted to be a judge. I was obsessed with
00:05:06 --> 00:05:09 justice. I don't know why. I was obviously a
00:05:09 --> 00:05:12 traumatized child. I love that though. Yeah,
00:05:12 --> 00:05:15 and I was like, people need to pay and I need
00:05:15 --> 00:05:19 to punish them. That's awesome. Yeah. So one
00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 time that we had a school play, I was in fourth
00:05:21 --> 00:05:24 grade and there was a role and it was the judge.
00:05:24 --> 00:05:26 And I was like, well, I want to be a judge so
00:05:26 --> 00:05:28 obviously I have to play that part. And then
00:05:28 --> 00:05:31 when I was like rehearsing my lines and, you
00:05:31 --> 00:05:33 know, doing all that, I was like, oh, whoa, this
00:05:33 --> 00:05:37 is fun. Like, I like this part. Yeah. And then
00:05:37 --> 00:05:40 I started to, I didn't even like register that
00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 I loved standup comedy, but I remembered like,
00:05:43 --> 00:05:44 my parents were never around. My dad's like,
00:05:45 --> 00:05:47 Both my parents are degenerates. God bless. If
00:05:47 --> 00:05:51 they watch this, they won't. But they, you know,
00:05:51 --> 00:05:54 drug and alcohol, very irresponsible, had kids
00:05:54 --> 00:05:56 very young. They're not married. They both had
00:05:56 --> 00:06:00 multiple partners, can't hold a good job. Like,
00:06:00 --> 00:06:02 my dad's been in and out of jail. Like, they're
00:06:02 --> 00:06:05 just that type of people. And God bless. But...
00:06:05 --> 00:06:07 So they were never, like, home. So, like, I would
00:06:07 --> 00:06:10 just watch, like, whatever I wanted to watch
00:06:10 --> 00:06:12 on TV. There was no, like, you can't, that's
00:06:12 --> 00:06:15 a bad word, that's rated R. And I always liked
00:06:15 --> 00:06:19 to watch stand -ups. So on HBO, they'd have,
00:06:19 --> 00:06:22 like, specials. And then on BET, they had Comic
00:06:22 --> 00:06:26 View, like, every night at 11 o 'clock. And then
00:06:26 --> 00:06:28 Comedy Central, obviously, they had, you know,
00:06:29 --> 00:06:31 all their different, like, stand -ups. Oh, my
00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 God, what was the one? It was just, oh, my God,
00:06:33 --> 00:06:34 why am I slacking out? Comedy Central Presents?
00:06:34 --> 00:06:37 Yeah, Comedy Central Presents. And so I would
00:06:37 --> 00:06:43 always just naturally flick between those. But
00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 I looked at stand -up comedians like rock stars.
00:06:47 --> 00:06:48 I was like, oh, you have to be a genius to do
00:06:48 --> 00:06:52 that. Their brains are these high level, which
00:06:52 --> 00:06:55 I still think is true, but there's a lot of bad
00:06:55 --> 00:06:59 comedians too. The point where you're watching
00:06:59 --> 00:07:02 them is, like, when they're 20 years in, they've
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 been doing it for so long, like, but I never,
00:07:04 --> 00:07:07 like, saw the entry point. So when I saw comedians,
00:07:07 --> 00:07:09 I was just like, okay, those people are gods.
00:07:09 --> 00:07:10 I love stand -up. But I didn't think of myself
00:07:10 --> 00:07:13 doing stand -up. But I was like, oh, I could
00:07:13 --> 00:07:16 get into comedy though still. I could write or
00:07:16 --> 00:07:20 I could do comedy acting or something. And yeah,
00:07:20 --> 00:07:22 so I always knew that. I was like, I want to
00:07:22 --> 00:07:23 go to California and I want to do something with,
00:07:23 --> 00:07:27 like, comedy and writing. Um, and then eventually
00:07:27 --> 00:07:31 life kept being like, stand up, stand up, stand
00:07:31 --> 00:07:34 up. And I was like, Oh yeah, I am a stand up
00:07:34 --> 00:07:36 comedian this whole third time. Yeah. Were you
00:07:36 --> 00:07:38 one of those people where, uh, where everybody
00:07:38 --> 00:07:40 was like, just kept telling you like, Oh man,
00:07:40 --> 00:07:43 you, you need to get on stage. Like you need
00:07:43 --> 00:07:45 to be that. Like you could do that and everything.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:47 I was, I was like that too. Growing up in school,
00:07:48 --> 00:07:49 like people would just, just tell me that all
00:07:49 --> 00:07:51 the time. So I loved, I know what you're talking
00:07:51 --> 00:07:53 about when you watch Comedy Central and you're
00:07:53 --> 00:07:55 watching like all these people, you're like,
00:07:55 --> 00:07:57 dude, like. These people are awesome. Yeah. This
00:07:57 --> 00:07:59 is amazing. Oh my God. I mean, yeah, they were
00:07:59 --> 00:08:01 gods to me. I was like, that's the coolest thing
00:08:01 --> 00:08:05 in the entire world. And so I remember watching,
00:08:05 --> 00:08:07 Chris Rock was like the first person where I
00:08:07 --> 00:08:09 was like, where I would like memorize his name
00:08:09 --> 00:08:12 and was like, that guy. Okay. That's a great
00:08:12 --> 00:08:14 name too. Yeah. That's a great one. I love Chris
00:08:14 --> 00:08:17 Rock and I... I loved comic view on BET, too,
00:08:17 --> 00:08:19 because I felt like there was things that I could
00:08:19 --> 00:08:21 just relate to those comics more. Like, say a
00:08:21 --> 00:08:24 lot of the comics we're talking about, like,
00:08:24 --> 00:08:26 you know, being broke and, like, living in, like,
00:08:26 --> 00:08:29 dangerous neighborhoods and, you know, you know,
00:08:30 --> 00:08:31 their parents, like, not being around or their
00:08:31 --> 00:08:33 parents having drug and alcohol issues. And,
00:08:33 --> 00:08:35 like, that was my story, too, where I'm like,
00:08:35 --> 00:08:38 OK, like, you know, I always lived in, you know,
00:08:38 --> 00:08:40 definitely not good neighborhoods until I was
00:08:40 --> 00:08:42 in high school. But for the most part, it was
00:08:42 --> 00:08:45 all, like... very sketchy, like our school, like
00:08:45 --> 00:08:46 we couldn't carry backpacks. We had to carry
00:08:46 --> 00:08:48 crates because kids would bring weapons to school.
00:08:48 --> 00:08:51 You weren't allowed to wear hoodies or like gold
00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 jewelry because like kids, there's always like
00:08:53 --> 00:08:55 fights and everybody's getting jumped. The teachers
00:08:55 --> 00:08:57 are getting jumped. Like just very scary schools
00:08:57 --> 00:08:59 where I would like, you know, I would cry before
00:08:59 --> 00:09:01 school. I was like, I just don't want to get
00:09:01 --> 00:09:06 jumped. Um, yeah, like, yeah, not, yeah. Um,
00:09:06 --> 00:09:09 But anyway, so like I always loved watching them.
00:09:09 --> 00:09:10 And so when I watched Chris Rock, I was like,
00:09:11 --> 00:09:13 okay, I was like, this person gets it. And like,
00:09:13 --> 00:09:16 he was always making such good points, like based
00:09:16 --> 00:09:20 on like society and like his point of view. And
00:09:20 --> 00:09:21 I remember when TiVo came out, do you remember
00:09:21 --> 00:09:26 TiVo where you like record TV? And TiVo was a
00:09:26 --> 00:09:28 thing. And I remember the first time like getting
00:09:28 --> 00:09:30 to record, they were doing, I think it was on
00:09:30 --> 00:09:33 Comedy Central, but they were showing like...
00:09:33 --> 00:09:35 three Chris Rock specials like in a row and I
00:09:35 --> 00:09:37 got to record them. And then I got to watch them
00:09:37 --> 00:09:42 like over and over and over. And yeah, and I
00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 was like, I love this thing. And then I would
00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 start telling, I remember like telling my dad,
00:09:47 --> 00:09:48 I was like, yeah, I love stand up, like I love
00:09:48 --> 00:09:51 Chris Rock. And he was like, well, if you have
00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 Chris Rock, like you probably really love Richard
00:09:53 --> 00:09:57 Pryor. And again, this is like before... Like
00:09:57 --> 00:09:59 other people had the internet, but like we were
00:09:59 --> 00:10:01 broke like we never had a computer or anything
00:10:01 --> 00:10:03 So it's and was before YouTube. So it's like
00:10:03 --> 00:10:06 I couldn't just like look up, you know, Richard
00:10:06 --> 00:10:09 Pryor but I remember one time a rerun coming
00:10:09 --> 00:10:13 on of One of Richard Pryor's specials I think
00:10:13 --> 00:10:16 it was live at the Sunset Trip and watching that
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00:10:26 --> 00:10:31 of themselves. And, you know, one, being like
00:10:31 --> 00:10:33 willing to be vulnerable to open up about it,
00:10:33 --> 00:10:36 but two, make it so funny. And three, he's like
00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 making money as a career off of it. And I was
00:10:38 --> 00:10:42 like, that's what I want to do. Now, the time
00:10:42 --> 00:10:44 of when I did that was many years later, but
00:10:44 --> 00:10:47 I knew I was like, it just like lit me up in
00:10:47 --> 00:10:50 a way where I was like, I'm activated. Yeah.
00:10:50 --> 00:10:54 Oh, yeah. So for me, it's almost like kind of
00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 the same sort of deal, except for like, I, it
00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 was, I would see, I wouldn't realize what standup
00:10:59 --> 00:11:03 was, I think, initially. Like I didn't, I didn't
00:11:03 --> 00:11:05 understand that this guy on this microphone here
00:11:05 --> 00:11:07 is like, he's saying jokes. I didn't even know
00:11:07 --> 00:11:10 what the hell a joke was. You know, and I remember
00:11:10 --> 00:11:12 kind of like, my journey was sort of similar
00:11:12 --> 00:11:15 though, in that. people would say these kind
00:11:15 --> 00:11:16 of things or something like that. And I didn't
00:11:16 --> 00:11:18 really understand until it was like, I want to
00:11:18 --> 00:11:21 say like 03 or something like that. I saw Robin
00:11:21 --> 00:11:25 Williams live on Broadway. And that was just
00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 like, for me, it was like the most like compelling
00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 thing I'd ever really seen on a stage to think
00:11:31 --> 00:11:33 that like one person is getting up there with
00:11:33 --> 00:11:36 an act like this. And I watched that thing so
00:11:36 --> 00:11:38 many times. And then that was like a floodgate
00:11:38 --> 00:11:40 for me. It was like, you know, like Robin Williams
00:11:40 --> 00:11:43 and then it was like Dane Cook. Vicious Circle?
00:11:43 --> 00:11:45 Was that the one that, was it Vicious Circle
00:11:45 --> 00:11:48 or what's the one that, his big special in 2003?
00:11:48 --> 00:11:50 Yeah, it was Vicious Circle because that was
00:11:50 --> 00:11:52 a big one that where he brought in that circle
00:11:52 --> 00:11:55 stage, right? And he had that whole like super
00:11:55 --> 00:11:59 finger thing called Su -Fi or whatever. And then
00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 there was one before that and that's the one
00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 that I really loved. Like the one where you're
00:12:04 --> 00:12:06 still like hungry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 like Mitch Hedberg and like, you know, because
00:12:09 --> 00:12:12 he was really big back then too. Comedy Central
00:12:12 --> 00:12:14 Presents had so many people, Sklar Brothers were
00:12:14 --> 00:12:21 on there. Ben Oswald, I remember. All the ones
00:12:21 --> 00:12:23 that I watch on Comedy Central, I remember I
00:12:23 --> 00:12:26 was looking this up recently because there's
00:12:26 --> 00:12:28 so many names. I'm like, oh, that was this person
00:12:28 --> 00:12:31 where it's like when I was younger, I wasn't
00:12:31 --> 00:12:32 registering who they were. I didn't know who
00:12:32 --> 00:12:36 they were. They were up and coming comics. But
00:12:36 --> 00:12:40 then now, Knowing stand -up so well and being
00:12:40 --> 00:12:42 like, oh fuck like oh, I didn't even realize
00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 that that was that same person or whatever I
00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 remember seeing like a David Tell I think it
00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 was like David Tell like his HBO half hour because
00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 they did like the half hours on HBO and Louise
00:12:51 --> 00:12:56 to Yeah. And what is her name? Janine? Garofalo?
00:12:57 --> 00:12:59 Garofalo. I remember hers. Hers was really funny.
00:12:59 --> 00:13:02 Oh yeah. And, but then being like, oh shit, like
00:13:02 --> 00:13:04 many years later, like, oh, like that is this
00:13:04 --> 00:13:07 person. Like I have seen this and connecting
00:13:07 --> 00:13:09 those dots is always, I love those moments too.
00:13:10 --> 00:13:13 Yeah. Or like, or if you knew somebody from standup
00:13:13 --> 00:13:15 and now they're a big actor. Like for me, it's
00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 Zach Galifianakis. I saw Zach Galifianakis on
00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 Comedy Central Presents. I was like, man, I love
00:13:20 --> 00:13:23 them. Now he's a huge actor where it's like,
00:13:23 --> 00:13:26 do you all even know that that's where he started?
00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 He was like that. Michael Keaton too. He was
00:13:28 --> 00:13:30 a huge stand -up comic. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
00:13:31 --> 00:13:33 Then watching him be Batman or whatever, you're
00:13:33 --> 00:13:39 like, well, that's so right. He was Batman? Yeah.
00:13:39 --> 00:13:42 1989 version. Yeah. But it's like, yeah, knowing
00:13:42 --> 00:13:45 that they - watching those celebrities where
00:13:45 --> 00:13:46 it's like, again, I didn't know Michael Kean,
00:13:46 --> 00:13:48 I was two, I wasn't born or whatever. I didn't
00:13:48 --> 00:13:51 see him as a standup, but then knowing who he
00:13:51 --> 00:13:53 was and then they're like, oh, he was a standup.
00:13:53 --> 00:13:54 And then, you know, just watching YouTube clips
00:13:54 --> 00:13:58 or whatever and you're like, oh, that's so cool.
00:13:58 --> 00:14:01 Right. It's wild. It's wild. And it's like, because
00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 it all makes sense no matter what they did, because
00:14:03 --> 00:14:05 it makes sense to like people, I guess, like
00:14:05 --> 00:14:07 who want to do standup because I feel like it's
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 just like. and these people are actually saying
00:14:10 --> 00:14:12 the things that are in my mind. They're saying
00:14:12 --> 00:14:15 them in a way that make perfect sense. Totally.
00:14:16 --> 00:14:18 You said Richard Pryor, you watched Richard Pryor,
00:14:19 --> 00:14:22 Chris Rock, stuff like that. Did these people
00:14:22 --> 00:14:25 influence your writing when you finally actually
00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 started writing? I don't know if they influenced
00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 my writing. I'd say the person that I was like,
00:14:30 --> 00:14:33 I remember watching Bill Burt, this is when Netflix,
00:14:33 --> 00:14:36 when they would give you the CDs, the actual
00:14:36 --> 00:14:39 discs. I had a roommate at the time and they
00:14:39 --> 00:14:42 were like 14 years older than me and I was like
00:14:42 --> 00:14:45 22 or something, might have been 21. But I was
00:14:45 --> 00:14:47 living in Los Angeles at the time and they were
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 the first people to tell me about Netflix. Like,
00:14:49 --> 00:14:51 oh, you sign up for this thing and like they
00:14:51 --> 00:14:55 send you the discs or the CDs or whatever. And
00:14:55 --> 00:15:00 I remember, wait a minute, I can't remember.
00:15:00 --> 00:15:03 Don't quote me, but I remember looking up the
00:15:03 --> 00:15:07 stand -ups. And I think Bill Burr was part of
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 their first wave of comedians that they were
00:15:09 --> 00:15:12 like, all right. And I remember, but I feel like
00:15:12 --> 00:15:14 I remember also streaming him too. So when they
00:15:14 --> 00:15:16 were done with the CDs, I think it was just the
00:15:16 --> 00:15:18 movies that were still the discs. I don't remember,
00:15:19 --> 00:15:21 but I remember first watching Bill Burr and it
00:15:21 --> 00:15:25 was in 2008 or 2009. Because I think a special
00:15:25 --> 00:15:26 came out in 2008, but I probably didn't see it
00:15:26 --> 00:15:29 until like 2009, 2010. Um, but I remember being
00:15:29 --> 00:15:33 like, whoa, like, I remember watching him and
00:15:33 --> 00:15:35 I still hadn't even started stand up. I didn't
00:15:35 --> 00:15:38 start until 2014. Um, but I just remember like
00:15:38 --> 00:15:40 studying him, like watching it over and over.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:43 And I was just like, and I, and I felt like,
00:15:43 --> 00:15:46 cause he has like a lot of, um, he's like very
00:15:46 --> 00:15:48 persuasive and he like, you know, he's a type
00:15:48 --> 00:15:50 person where it's like, he uses his anger to
00:15:50 --> 00:15:51 like rant, but like, he makes like such good
00:15:51 --> 00:15:54 points that he persuades you to like switch like
00:15:54 --> 00:15:56 your opinion. And I was like, yeah, that's what
00:15:56 --> 00:16:00 I do too. Um, and, uh, but then I've, too, when
00:16:00 --> 00:16:02 I watched Phil Burr, I was like, I should never
00:16:02 --> 00:16:05 do stand -up. Like, that's so, like, he's so
00:16:05 --> 00:16:08 amazing. Where I was like, I just, but then I,
00:16:08 --> 00:16:11 I had a friend, I don't know why I'm blanking
00:16:11 --> 00:16:13 out on who this was, but I remember somebody
00:16:13 --> 00:16:14 telling me, they're like, well, that's like,
00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 that's them doing stand -up for so long. Like,
00:16:17 --> 00:16:19 where he started is gonna be like where you start.
00:16:19 --> 00:16:21 Like, you're comparing yourself at him when he's
00:16:21 --> 00:16:24 like a seasoned comic. And then I was like, all
00:16:24 --> 00:16:27 right, um. But in 2009, I knew I wanted to do
00:16:27 --> 00:16:30 stand up and I just kept bitching out, kept bitching
00:16:30 --> 00:16:33 out, kept bitching out. And then I did, but I
00:16:33 --> 00:16:35 was doing sketch and improv. So I did sketch
00:16:35 --> 00:16:37 and improv for like six, seven years before I
00:16:37 --> 00:16:41 ever did stand up. So like I got to LA in like
00:16:41 --> 00:16:49 2007. And from 2007 to 2013, all of that was
00:16:49 --> 00:16:52 like sketch and improv. And I was in Second City
00:16:52 --> 00:16:55 and my teacher was like, Every time we had to
00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 write a thing, we had to write these little character
00:16:58 --> 00:17:01 monologues or whatever. And my teacher was like,
00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 you're a stand -up. He's like, you're writing
00:17:03 --> 00:17:05 stand -up. And I was like, oh, hi, no. But then
00:17:05 --> 00:17:08 I kept not doing it. He's like, bitch, you gotta
00:17:08 --> 00:17:12 do stand -up. You're a stand -up. And then, yeah,
00:17:12 --> 00:17:16 2013, I took a class. Regret it, but whatever.
00:17:16 --> 00:17:21 But I took a class at first. And then after that
00:17:21 --> 00:17:23 class, that's when I started grinding open mics
00:17:23 --> 00:17:29 in 2014. Wow. You actually went from like a comedy
00:17:29 --> 00:17:32 troops thing like that. I always think about
00:17:32 --> 00:17:35 that like the kids in the hall. Of course, Second
00:17:35 --> 00:17:39 City, everybody knows that. I always wondered
00:17:39 --> 00:17:43 how, because I see how those things are different
00:17:43 --> 00:17:45 and I've actually done theater myself and stuff
00:17:45 --> 00:17:49 like that. I understand the improvisational aspect
00:17:49 --> 00:17:53 of it. But did you walk away from that feeling
00:17:53 --> 00:17:55 like, okay, this is going to make me better at
00:17:55 --> 00:17:58 stand -up? Or did you think that, oh shit, I
00:17:58 --> 00:18:00 just went in a whole different direction? No,
00:18:00 --> 00:18:02 I'm really happy that I did it. I think a lot
00:18:02 --> 00:18:06 of people shit on improv and sketch all the time.
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 There's always a comedy divide between the stand
00:18:09 --> 00:18:12 -ups and the people who do improv. But I'm so
00:18:12 --> 00:18:16 happy that I did improv first and that I - That
00:18:16 --> 00:18:19 I got my feet wet and like really like understood
00:18:19 --> 00:18:22 like the mechanics of comedy and also working
00:18:22 --> 00:18:25 with other people and Working because I did groundlings
00:18:25 --> 00:18:27 and Second City and I was in the Second City
00:18:27 --> 00:18:31 Conservatory where it's like you end up Producing
00:18:31 --> 00:18:33 and performing your own show like on like their
00:18:33 --> 00:18:34 main stage for like a month. It might be like
00:18:34 --> 00:18:38 two months And like just building that whole
00:18:38 --> 00:18:42 thing like with you know your team members uh,
00:18:42 --> 00:18:46 was such a cool experience. And it just taught
00:18:46 --> 00:18:48 me, like, so many, like, comedy, comedy, like,
00:18:48 --> 00:18:50 mechanics that it's like, you know, you, you'd
00:18:50 --> 00:18:52 have to, like, maybe, like, read about or something,
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 but it's like Second City and Groundlings just,
00:18:55 --> 00:18:58 um, yeah, it's like a comedy boot camp for sure.
00:18:59 --> 00:19:01 And, um, but I knew something was missing when
00:19:01 --> 00:19:03 I was there. I was like, I really enjoy this
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 and I really like this. And I had, I mean, some
00:19:05 --> 00:19:07 of my good friends to this day where it's like,
00:19:07 --> 00:19:10 they're so talented, like, they're so good at
00:19:10 --> 00:19:12 character work. And I always felt like that's,
00:19:12 --> 00:19:14 like, where I struggled. I was like, I know I'm
00:19:14 --> 00:19:16 funny, but, like, if there's, like, all these
00:19:16 --> 00:19:18 different accents you have to do or all these
00:19:18 --> 00:19:20 different characters, I was like, there's only
00:19:20 --> 00:19:22 really, like, maybe three different characters
00:19:22 --> 00:19:24 I can play. And then I'm seeing all these other
00:19:24 --> 00:19:26 people who's like, I can do 25, like, in there.
00:19:27 --> 00:19:30 And each one of them is so, you know, individual
00:19:30 --> 00:19:33 and different. And I was like, OK, I feel like
00:19:33 --> 00:19:35 that's not really me. And then I was like, oh,
00:19:35 --> 00:19:36 I'm going to write for those people because,
00:19:37 --> 00:19:38 like, I know how to write in other people's voices,
00:19:38 --> 00:19:41 like, really well. And so I was like, oh, I'll
00:19:41 --> 00:19:44 just write in their voice. And then, and then
00:19:44 --> 00:19:46 I was like, yeah, I just like kept hearing like,
00:19:46 --> 00:19:47 do stand up, do stand up, do stand up. And I'm
00:19:47 --> 00:19:51 like, I think I was just so scared to be bad
00:19:51 --> 00:19:54 at the thing that I loved the most. And I was
00:19:54 --> 00:19:57 like, because if you're, it just will break my
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 heart, you know? And, but it's like, yeah, that's
00:20:00 --> 00:20:01 the point of stand up. Like you're going to be
00:20:01 --> 00:20:03 bad when you first start. Like everybody's bad.
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 And if you think you're good and you're 10 years,
00:20:06 --> 00:20:09 you're not even 10 years in, it's like, you know.
00:20:10 --> 00:20:12 That's, uh... You're in for a rude awakening.
00:20:13 --> 00:20:16 That's... Man, that is so true. That is so true.
00:20:16 --> 00:20:21 When I first got on there, you know, I didn't
00:20:21 --> 00:20:23 realize how terrible it was that people were
00:20:23 --> 00:20:25 like, oh man, you're funny, you should do stand
00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 -up. You know, I always took it as like a massive
00:20:27 --> 00:20:29 compliment. And it is, I understand what they're
00:20:29 --> 00:20:32 saying and stuff like that. But yeah, when I
00:20:32 --> 00:20:36 first got up there, I was like... Oh, no. Yeah.
00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 Oh, no is the right response. Yeah. Yeah. I was
00:20:39 --> 00:20:44 just like, oh, dude. Even now, it's like, I respect
00:20:44 --> 00:20:47 the stage. It's like, I respect the hell out
00:20:47 --> 00:20:50 of it because it's not like, I can't just be
00:20:50 --> 00:20:51 like, all right, let me just write down this
00:20:51 --> 00:20:53 funny thought and go up there and be like, all
00:20:53 --> 00:20:55 right. There's so many people who do the same
00:20:55 --> 00:20:56 thing, I'm sure, who you're like, oh, you should
00:20:56 --> 00:20:59 put this in your act. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then
00:20:59 --> 00:21:02 you're like, that's not good. Yeah, I'm like.
00:21:02 --> 00:21:04 Don't ever talk to me ever again. Yeah, don't
00:21:04 --> 00:21:05 say that. It's not, it doesn't work like that.
00:21:05 --> 00:21:07 It's always the most uninteresting. Like I've
00:21:07 --> 00:21:09 always had like, you know, tons of different
00:21:09 --> 00:21:12 jobs when I'm, you know, was doing standup. And
00:21:12 --> 00:21:14 like anytime I would tell people, like, I'm a
00:21:14 --> 00:21:15 standup, they're like, oh, are you going to write
00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 about us? I'm like. you're the most boring person
00:21:18 --> 00:21:21 I've ever met in my life. No. Right. Yeah. Exactly.
00:21:22 --> 00:21:24 It's like not everything goes into it. Yeah.
00:21:25 --> 00:21:27 There are many different filtered thoughts that
00:21:27 --> 00:21:29 get there. Right. And also it's like, why in
00:21:29 --> 00:21:32 the world do you think that my interaction with
00:21:32 --> 00:21:35 you is like the top 20 things that are interesting
00:21:35 --> 00:21:38 about my life? And I'm like, I mean, of course,
00:21:39 --> 00:21:43 most of them don't. they mean well, but it's,
00:21:43 --> 00:21:45 it always just, you could just see the delusion
00:21:45 --> 00:21:48 and the human beings where I'm like, oh, like
00:21:48 --> 00:21:52 you think that, you think that you are something
00:21:52 --> 00:21:56 fascinating. Wow. That's interesting. It totally
00:21:56 --> 00:21:58 put me in your act, you know, and I'm like, man,
00:21:58 --> 00:22:00 it's like, it's like, it's, it's actual experience,
00:22:01 --> 00:22:03 like experience, you know, I'm like, for me,
00:22:03 --> 00:22:05 it's like everybody, what I love about standup
00:22:05 --> 00:22:08 is that everybody has, even though there's writing
00:22:08 --> 00:22:12 styles, everybody has a different approach. I
00:22:12 --> 00:22:16 guess that's what I was leading into was that
00:22:16 --> 00:22:19 when you finally got up on the stage, the open
00:22:19 --> 00:22:23 mic stage in 2014, when you finally got up there,
00:22:23 --> 00:22:25 when you finally took that leap and everything,
00:22:25 --> 00:22:27 by then, did you have things written and did
00:22:27 --> 00:22:30 you feel ready? Or was it something where you
00:22:30 --> 00:22:32 just jumped in blind and was like, let's see
00:22:32 --> 00:22:34 what's going to happen? No, I had been writing
00:22:34 --> 00:22:38 things since 2009. 2009, when I I remember, like,
00:22:38 --> 00:22:40 every single night when I would go to bed, and
00:22:40 --> 00:22:42 this is, like, when the, you know, it just became
00:22:42 --> 00:22:46 more prominent, like, I would have this, like,
00:22:46 --> 00:22:47 stream of consciousness, and it would just, like,
00:22:47 --> 00:22:50 be like... And it was just naturally, kind of,
00:22:50 --> 00:22:53 in joke form. And I remember just, like, every
00:22:53 --> 00:22:55 night before I'd bed, and I'm like... I'm like,
00:22:55 --> 00:22:58 why am I... Like, I would step outside of myself,
00:22:58 --> 00:23:00 and I'm like, why am I... What is this? Like,
00:23:00 --> 00:23:03 what are these thoughts? And then, like, another
00:23:03 --> 00:23:05 thought popped up, and it's like, this is stand
00:23:05 --> 00:23:07 -up. Like you're writing stand up, write it down.
00:23:07 --> 00:23:09 And I'm like, oh, is that what this is? Like
00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 I'm just, you know, it's just piling through
00:23:12 --> 00:23:13 my head constantly. And then so I was like, okay.
00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 So I had like a notebook and, you know, and then
00:23:16 --> 00:23:18 when I was like doing sketch and improv, I would
00:23:18 --> 00:23:20 sometimes like look at my ideas and be like,
00:23:20 --> 00:23:22 okay, can I make this a sketch? Can I make this
00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 a scene? Can I make this a character? And then
00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 when I started, when I got to do stand up, when
00:23:27 --> 00:23:29 I finally was doing it, I was like, okay, finally
00:23:29 --> 00:23:32 I can. use all this the way I want to, you know?
00:23:32 --> 00:23:35 And it doesn't get transformed by other people
00:23:35 --> 00:23:37 and their character work or whatever, because
00:23:37 --> 00:23:38 that's what you have to do, you know, in sketch
00:23:38 --> 00:23:41 and improv. You give an idea and then it grows
00:23:41 --> 00:23:43 into this whole snowball that, like, you'd have
00:23:43 --> 00:23:46 no control over anymore. And that's why I like
00:23:46 --> 00:23:48 stand -up, because I was like, I like my ideas.
00:23:49 --> 00:23:53 I don't want your input. But yeah. Did you find
00:23:53 --> 00:23:56 it difficult to kind of, like, let go of that
00:23:56 --> 00:23:59 whole, like, I guess, like the... I'm trying
00:23:59 --> 00:24:01 to think of the right word, sorry. Like the tether
00:24:01 --> 00:24:03 of like having that kind of direction that improv
00:24:03 --> 00:24:06 kind of gives you or. Wait, wait, sorry. Say
00:24:06 --> 00:24:08 that again. I don't know if I understand. No,
00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 that's okay. I'm asking you so strangely. What
00:24:11 --> 00:24:14 I'm trying to like, okay. My example, I guess,
00:24:14 --> 00:24:17 would be like some hard part that I had, especially
00:24:17 --> 00:24:19 like leaving theater and then trying to do standup
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 and having like that mind that would bounce back
00:24:21 --> 00:24:24 and forth. I would be like. Oh, man, I have no
00:24:24 --> 00:24:28 direction. I guess what I'm asking is, was that
00:24:28 --> 00:24:31 challenging for you to leave the improv thing
00:24:31 --> 00:24:34 and then go into the stand -up thing, or was
00:24:34 --> 00:24:37 it something that you felt was more natural for
00:24:37 --> 00:24:38 you? It was more natural. It was more natural
00:24:38 --> 00:24:40 and it was more freeing because I felt like.
00:24:40 --> 00:24:43 sketch and improv was that was way more of a
00:24:43 --> 00:24:47 challenge for me of like one having to constantly
00:24:47 --> 00:24:50 like let everybody build a scene like with you
00:24:50 --> 00:24:53 and let everybody's ideas of your original idea
00:24:53 --> 00:24:56 just blossom, which is the beautiful part of,
00:24:56 --> 00:24:58 you know, doing like the conservatory and doing
00:24:58 --> 00:25:01 sketch and like building a show. But then at
00:25:01 --> 00:25:03 the same time, you're like, well, I want to just
00:25:03 --> 00:25:05 see what it is on my own. And so Stand Up finally
00:25:05 --> 00:25:07 gave me the opportunity to be like, all right,
00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 sister, like it's all you. Now you have the freedom
00:25:10 --> 00:25:13 to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, kind of, um, so I've
00:25:13 --> 00:25:14 seen your jokes and I've seen like the way that
00:25:14 --> 00:25:16 you like, like in your kind of structure. And
00:25:16 --> 00:25:19 I love how like you, and I know we kind of spoke
00:25:19 --> 00:25:22 on this briefly, um, but like, you know, how
00:25:22 --> 00:25:24 you incorporate, you know, like your real life
00:25:24 --> 00:25:27 into it. And it seems like it's so natural. And
00:25:27 --> 00:25:29 that's what I love about it is cause I can see
00:25:29 --> 00:25:31 like how it's like, you're speaking from. you
00:25:31 --> 00:25:34 know, like an actual part of you. Did you begin
00:25:34 --> 00:25:37 that way or did you sort of like, I'm just gonna
00:25:37 --> 00:25:39 write a joke, like why the chicken crossed the
00:25:39 --> 00:25:41 road? Or did you like, did you start off real
00:25:41 --> 00:25:43 experiences right off the bat? I kind of always
00:25:43 --> 00:25:45 knew that I was gonna be like personal narrative
00:25:45 --> 00:25:48 base, because again, like Richard Pryor was my
00:25:48 --> 00:25:53 favorite. And I was, I loved, I loved... When
00:25:53 --> 00:25:55 I first started stand up to it like it was therapy
00:25:55 --> 00:25:57 like you know not to be lame And it's like everybody
00:25:57 --> 00:25:59 says that but it's like it really was my therapy
00:25:59 --> 00:26:02 where it's like you know I didn't even do therapy
00:26:02 --> 00:26:05 up until you know my recent years So my whole
00:26:05 --> 00:26:08 entire life how I had all that trauma and just
00:26:08 --> 00:26:12 you know fucked up childhood like comedy was
00:26:12 --> 00:26:15 my outlet to be like all right, you know now
00:26:15 --> 00:26:18 I have this thing and like there it's not like
00:26:18 --> 00:26:20 I went into it being like I want to write about
00:26:20 --> 00:26:23 trauma But when I watched Richard Pryor and I
00:26:23 --> 00:26:26 saw him take material of like his heart attack,
00:26:26 --> 00:26:30 his divorce, like him, you know, his dad dying,
00:26:30 --> 00:26:32 like all these things, like where I was like,
00:26:32 --> 00:26:35 whoa, you can do that. And so I was like, I knew
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 I wanted to take the things that were the scariest
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 or the things that I was the most afraid of or
00:26:40 --> 00:26:43 the things that I was the most ashamed of. Because
00:26:43 --> 00:26:45 I was like, if I can turn this into comedy, then
00:26:45 --> 00:26:47 it's like I have the last laugh. Like literally,
00:26:47 --> 00:26:50 like none of this stuff can break me or has control
00:26:50 --> 00:26:53 over me because I'm turning it into comedy. Yeah.
00:26:53 --> 00:26:56 And hopefully money. Right, yeah. No, that is
00:26:56 --> 00:27:00 brilliant. I love that. I love that you took
00:27:00 --> 00:27:04 those things like that. I really do. Because
00:27:04 --> 00:27:08 I'm sort of, when I first got into it, I don't
00:27:08 --> 00:27:12 know, I kind of got into it thinking, okay, maybe
00:27:12 --> 00:27:16 I might take like a Dane Cook approach. And I
00:27:16 --> 00:27:17 was like, no, this isn't working. I might take
00:27:17 --> 00:27:21 maybe this approach. Yeah. I discovered like,
00:27:21 --> 00:27:23 and I'm still like, I'm still brand spanking
00:27:23 --> 00:27:25 new. I've only been doing it like, you know,
00:27:25 --> 00:27:29 stand up since like 23. But, but now I'm at the
00:27:29 --> 00:27:31 point where I'm like kind of learning. I'm like,
00:27:32 --> 00:27:34 nah, dude, I just really just need to just be
00:27:34 --> 00:27:37 myself and just like open up. And then, and then
00:27:37 --> 00:27:39 structure, you know, is like the most important
00:27:39 --> 00:27:43 thing. So I guess like, what, what was like a
00:27:43 --> 00:27:46 massive like, uh, lesson that kind of came to
00:27:46 --> 00:27:48 you where you were like, oh shit, I really wish
00:27:48 --> 00:27:50 I would have known this earlier. Yeah. I mean,
00:27:50 --> 00:27:54 all the time. I mean, I think, um, luckily I've
00:27:54 --> 00:27:56 always had like the anchor of like being very
00:27:56 --> 00:27:58 true to myself because I've definitely like witnessed
00:27:58 --> 00:28:01 people like, you know, I could always tell where
00:28:01 --> 00:28:03 I'm like, all right, David tells your influence.
00:28:04 --> 00:28:06 Okay. Louie's your influence. Okay. This person,
00:28:06 --> 00:28:07 it's like a Dion cult, whatever. It's like, I
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 can always tell where people's influences come
00:28:10 --> 00:28:11 from. And I can tell when it's like multiple
00:28:11 --> 00:28:17 influences, but, um, I think to me, the best
00:28:17 --> 00:28:19 stand up is something that can stand the test
00:28:19 --> 00:28:22 of time. And to me, the things that can stand
00:28:22 --> 00:28:24 the test of time are things that are personal
00:28:24 --> 00:28:30 or individualistic. And I remember trying to
00:28:30 --> 00:28:33 write... topical like because you know at the
00:28:33 --> 00:28:35 time John Stewart and all this stuff is uh the
00:28:35 --> 00:28:38 Daily Show like this is super popular and like
00:28:38 --> 00:28:39 you want to get a writing job you want to get
00:28:39 --> 00:28:41 a writing gig you want to maybe write on weekend
00:28:41 --> 00:28:44 update on SNL and so I remember like trying to
00:28:44 --> 00:28:47 force myself to I which I still do think is a
00:28:47 --> 00:28:50 good exercise I think to be a well -rounded comic
00:28:50 --> 00:28:52 you know all these things are different tools
00:28:52 --> 00:28:54 like you should know how to do crowd work. It
00:28:54 --> 00:28:55 doesn't mean you have to only do crowd work,
00:28:56 --> 00:28:57 but you should learn how to do crowd work. You
00:28:57 --> 00:28:59 should learn how to do topical material. You
00:28:59 --> 00:29:01 should learn how to do personal narrative things.
00:29:01 --> 00:29:04 You should learn how to do abstracts. It's like
00:29:04 --> 00:29:06 you should be able to try and learn how to do
00:29:06 --> 00:29:09 everything. Um, and cause different times you're
00:29:09 --> 00:29:11 going to need, write clean, have, you know, jokes
00:29:11 --> 00:29:13 that are dirty. Cause it's like, you're going
00:29:13 --> 00:29:14 to see like, you know, you have certain crowds
00:29:14 --> 00:29:16 where you're like, all right, everybody's 85
00:29:16 --> 00:29:18 and they look like they just slept a bingo fucking
00:29:18 --> 00:29:21 tournament. Like probably not going to love my
00:29:21 --> 00:29:24 molestation material or an abortion joke. So
00:29:24 --> 00:29:27 I'm like, I don't believe in like writing for
00:29:27 --> 00:29:28 the audience. Cause to me that's like the definition
00:29:28 --> 00:29:34 of a hack, but I do believe in, in orchestrating
00:29:34 --> 00:29:36 and learning how to do different styles. true
00:29:36 --> 00:29:39 to yourself so this way when you're in different
00:29:39 --> 00:29:41 situations, you're on a brunch show, whatever,
00:29:41 --> 00:29:44 it's like you are like, okay, this is still me
00:29:44 --> 00:29:48 being this, but adapting to my environment. So
00:29:48 --> 00:29:53 I think learning to adapt to my environment was
00:29:53 --> 00:29:55 like a big lesson where I'm like, okay, like
00:29:55 --> 00:29:57 I don't have, because I used to think like, nope,
00:29:57 --> 00:29:59 you just gotta like, fuck it, I'm gonna do a
00:29:59 --> 00:30:01 rape joke and they're gonna get over it. And
00:30:01 --> 00:30:04 it's like, no, you know, there's times where
00:30:04 --> 00:30:07 it's like, Obviously, if it's your own special,
00:30:07 --> 00:30:08 you're going to do whatever the fuck you want.
00:30:08 --> 00:30:10 But like I said, you're going to do a show on
00:30:10 --> 00:30:13 a brunch show or you're going to do like a college
00:30:13 --> 00:30:16 clean show and you forcing like, no, like this
00:30:16 --> 00:30:19 is who I am. And I'm like, all of it is who I
00:30:19 --> 00:30:21 am. But it's OK to know your environment and
00:30:21 --> 00:30:23 to be a good technician and to be like, OK, this
00:30:23 --> 00:30:25 is going to work here. This is going to work
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 here. So long as you're not pandering to them,
00:30:27 --> 00:30:30 but you're aware of the environment and the surroundings.
00:30:30 --> 00:30:32 That's a that's a good one. That's a good one.
00:30:32 --> 00:30:35 You know, I. That's a reason why I love to ask
00:30:35 --> 00:30:37 people who are more experienced in the comics
00:30:37 --> 00:30:38 who are more experienced with this whole thing,
00:30:38 --> 00:30:41 those kind of things, because it's, what I learned
00:30:41 --> 00:30:44 a lot is like, oh, I never even thought of that.
00:30:44 --> 00:30:45 And now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, oh man,
00:30:46 --> 00:30:48 I never even thought about that. For sure. But
00:30:48 --> 00:30:51 it also, it leads to like, I guess, like epiphanies.
00:30:51 --> 00:30:53 Yeah. Where you're just like, you know, oh, you
00:30:53 --> 00:30:55 see, this is another reason why I just need to
00:30:55 --> 00:31:00 write. Totally. To myself. Yes. And a lot of
00:31:00 --> 00:31:04 great comics. do say that, oh, this was my therapy.
00:31:05 --> 00:31:09 A lot of times, they do say that and everything.
00:31:10 --> 00:31:13 I love that you're saying that. I feel like there's
00:31:13 --> 00:31:17 wisdom in that. Did you find that the LA comedy
00:31:17 --> 00:31:22 scene was challenging for you to navigate? For
00:31:22 --> 00:31:24 sure. I mean, I'm so happy that I came up in
00:31:24 --> 00:31:28 LA. LA and New York, I did New York for a year,
00:31:28 --> 00:31:34 2017 and 2018. There's beauty about coming up
00:31:34 --> 00:31:36 in LA and there's, you know, a lot of hardships
00:31:36 --> 00:31:40 too, because one, you, it's so competitive. And
00:31:40 --> 00:31:42 there's so many different scenes that it's like,
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 you could be doing Santa for like, you know,
00:31:44 --> 00:31:47 eight years and you've never even intertwined
00:31:47 --> 00:31:48 with this other comic. You know who they are,
00:31:48 --> 00:31:50 because it's like social media, but you're like,
00:31:50 --> 00:31:51 you've never even been on a show with them. Because
00:31:51 --> 00:31:54 that's, you know, there's the main, there's like
00:31:54 --> 00:31:57 the club scene. There's the alt scene, then there's
00:31:57 --> 00:31:59 like the west side scene, there's the valley
00:31:59 --> 00:32:01 scene, and there's like a small like downtown
00:32:01 --> 00:32:03 scene. But it's like these are five major scenes
00:32:03 --> 00:32:07 and they all have their whole own mics, all their
00:32:07 --> 00:32:09 own shows, all their own like comics, all their
00:32:09 --> 00:32:14 own like vets. Like it's just so massive. Um,
00:32:14 --> 00:32:16 and, um, and when you're going up on stage, it's
00:32:16 --> 00:32:18 like, I remember like, you know, doing open mics
00:32:18 --> 00:32:20 with like people who were like writers on Conan
00:32:20 --> 00:32:23 and people who are writers on SNL and whatever.
00:32:23 --> 00:32:25 And it's like, that's what it is. So it's like,
00:32:25 --> 00:32:28 if you want to, you know, and so it's like, it's,
00:32:28 --> 00:32:30 I know a bunch of people who like started in
00:32:30 --> 00:32:33 a smaller scene, like, um, you know, they started
00:32:33 --> 00:32:36 in Chicago or they started in, um, uh, like San
00:32:36 --> 00:32:38 Diego or something, and then they come to LA.
00:32:38 --> 00:32:41 And I think that that could be good too. But
00:32:41 --> 00:32:45 it kind of like forced me and I'm like competitive,
00:32:45 --> 00:32:47 like not like in a way where it's like I'm not
00:32:47 --> 00:32:49 happy for other people. But I was like competitive
00:32:49 --> 00:32:52 where I'm like, I'm going to show up in all the
00:32:52 --> 00:32:54 different scenes and I'm going to do multiple
00:32:54 --> 00:32:56 in the different scenes, like every single night.
00:32:56 --> 00:33:00 And, you know, I leave my house 5 p .m. and come
00:33:00 --> 00:33:02 home at 2 a .m. like every single night. And
00:33:02 --> 00:33:04 I did that for so many years. And so that's why,
00:33:04 --> 00:33:07 you know, in L .A., people... everybody who knows
00:33:07 --> 00:33:09 me will be like, no, she grinded her ass off.
00:33:09 --> 00:33:12 And there's the comics who we know grinded our
00:33:12 --> 00:33:14 asses off and went everywhere. And there's comics
00:33:14 --> 00:33:16 who are like, oh, you just did a comedy class
00:33:16 --> 00:33:18 and only did a comedy class and then you only
00:33:18 --> 00:33:20 did bringer shows. And then there's people where
00:33:20 --> 00:33:22 it's like, you kind of just networked and hustled
00:33:22 --> 00:33:26 and hoard your way in. But like the thing that
00:33:26 --> 00:33:29 I love about LA is it's like you can, you can
00:33:29 --> 00:33:32 certify your material. Like meaning like, the,
00:33:33 --> 00:33:35 if you're doing like jokes that like kind of
00:33:35 --> 00:33:37 only work in like the club scene, you know, versus,
00:33:38 --> 00:33:39 and then you try to do it in an alt room, not
00:33:39 --> 00:33:41 all the time it's going to translate. And then
00:33:41 --> 00:33:43 you do it in, you know, rooms that are like more
00:33:43 --> 00:33:46 predominantly like a black audience or the West
00:33:46 --> 00:33:48 side or again, like the Valley where it's like,
00:33:49 --> 00:33:51 I would take one, once I was like, okay, I think
00:33:51 --> 00:33:53 I got this joke. I think this joke is good. then
00:33:53 --> 00:33:55 I would go certify the material. Like, can I
00:33:55 --> 00:33:58 do the same joke on the alt side? Can I do the
00:33:58 --> 00:34:00 same joke in the clubs? Can I do the same in
00:34:00 --> 00:34:02 the valley? The valley was, like, kind of, like,
00:34:02 --> 00:34:05 more rowdy, punk -rocky type of scene. Downtown
00:34:05 --> 00:34:08 has a similar vibe, but, like, kind of more artsy.
00:34:08 --> 00:34:10 And then the west side is, like, liberal conservative,
00:34:10 --> 00:34:13 like, where it's, like, they're, like, they're
00:34:13 --> 00:34:15 not conservative, like, Republican, but they're
00:34:15 --> 00:34:17 conservative, and, like, you can't be talking
00:34:17 --> 00:34:19 about all this edgy, dark stuff without them
00:34:19 --> 00:34:22 being like, ooh. But yeah, so when I knew, I
00:34:22 --> 00:34:24 was like, all right, I'm gonna take this joke
00:34:24 --> 00:34:26 and if I can get it to work everywhere, then
00:34:26 --> 00:34:28 I know that that joke is like certified, like
00:34:28 --> 00:34:31 that this is good. And that's why, yeah, I love,
00:34:32 --> 00:34:35 I... And again, you're in LA too, you're with
00:34:35 --> 00:34:38 so, like, an array of comics, like, people who
00:34:38 --> 00:34:39 work on the road, people who have, like, writing
00:34:39 --> 00:34:42 jobs, people who are on TV, people who are, you
00:34:42 --> 00:34:44 know, they open for some of the biggest names.
00:34:44 --> 00:34:46 Like, you're just around all these people and
00:34:46 --> 00:34:48 you're constantly getting to, like, see, like,
00:34:48 --> 00:34:52 where you stand. And, you know, it is a very
00:34:52 --> 00:34:55 humbling, it's a very humbling experience for
00:34:55 --> 00:35:00 sure. Wow, that is amazing. I love that you went
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03 into the in -depth thing with LA because I've
00:35:03 --> 00:35:06 never even been there. I've been in California
00:35:06 --> 00:35:10 a couple of times, but I've never been to LA.
00:35:11 --> 00:35:15 I'm not really drawn to it, but I'm also learning
00:35:15 --> 00:35:18 about myself. I'm one of those comfy people.
00:35:18 --> 00:35:21 I have to talk myself out of getting out of the
00:35:21 --> 00:35:27 comfort zone. Do you have a favorite of those
00:35:27 --> 00:35:29 three, of LA, New York, and let's say Austin?
00:35:30 --> 00:35:33 Yeah. I think they all serve different purposes
00:35:33 --> 00:35:36 and it just depends where you're at. But I think
00:35:36 --> 00:35:40 it's so important as a comic to, in my opinion,
00:35:40 --> 00:35:43 I think it's so important to experience all three.
00:35:43 --> 00:35:45 Doesn't mean you have to live in all three, but
00:35:45 --> 00:35:48 do a three -month stint, do a two -month stint
00:35:48 --> 00:35:52 in another area. I'm very fortunate that, well,
00:35:52 --> 00:35:53 it wasn't because of fortune, it was because
00:35:53 --> 00:35:55 of me just trying to figure out life, that it's
00:35:55 --> 00:35:58 like, that I lived in all these places. But I
00:35:58 --> 00:36:04 think the more, the... the wider you can cast
00:36:04 --> 00:36:06 that net in different types of environments,
00:36:07 --> 00:36:09 like, it's only gonna make you a better comic,
00:36:09 --> 00:36:11 you know? Because it's like, you're gonna just
00:36:11 --> 00:36:14 constantly be, like, working different skills
00:36:14 --> 00:36:16 and environments and, like, learning your own
00:36:16 --> 00:36:19 voice. Like, you know, people think voice as
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21 in, like, your point of view, that's one way,
00:36:21 --> 00:36:23 but the other way of using your voice is, like,
00:36:24 --> 00:36:26 actually using your voice as an instrument. Like,
00:36:26 --> 00:36:28 from when I would do the club scene, it's like,
00:36:28 --> 00:36:31 I could be a little bit more, you know, like...
00:36:31 --> 00:36:34 animated or loud or in your face or, like, you
00:36:34 --> 00:36:36 know, maybe, like, I could swear more or whatever.
00:36:36 --> 00:36:38 But if I try to do that same exact set, perform
00:36:38 --> 00:36:41 it that same exact way on the east side, the
00:36:41 --> 00:36:43 alt scene, like, I would get a lot of, like,
00:36:43 --> 00:36:46 pullback. And again, I was never changing my
00:36:46 --> 00:36:49 jokes, but I was just changing, like, my voice
00:36:49 --> 00:36:51 and, you know, not, not, like, putting on, like,
00:36:51 --> 00:36:53 a voice, but, like, just being, like, if I come
00:36:53 --> 00:36:56 at them, like, if I'm aggressive and I'm a tent...
00:36:56 --> 00:36:58 intense it makes them pull back so I had to like
00:36:58 --> 00:37:01 learn to be like let me do my same thing but
00:37:01 --> 00:37:04 like I would approach them like a little bit
00:37:04 --> 00:37:08 more, like, in a vulnerable spot. Like, say,
00:37:08 --> 00:37:09 like, if I'm doing the molestation joke, I'm
00:37:09 --> 00:37:11 like, yeah, I'm just kidding. This is not the
00:37:11 --> 00:37:13 joke. But if I'm like, yeah, like, I got molested.
00:37:13 --> 00:37:15 Like, that type of energy, again, in a club,
00:37:15 --> 00:37:17 it might be, like, more, you know, people are
00:37:17 --> 00:37:19 more with you. But in an alt scene where it's
00:37:19 --> 00:37:21 like, you know, the room is like small, the lights
00:37:21 --> 00:37:23 are, you know, you can see everybody's faces.
00:37:24 --> 00:37:25 It's like, you know, you're getting different
00:37:25 --> 00:37:28 people who, like, maybe they have had similar
00:37:28 --> 00:37:30 experiences to you and they're not, like... they're
00:37:30 --> 00:37:32 not these people who are like, and fuck that,
00:37:33 --> 00:37:34 and da -da -da -da, they're a little bit more
00:37:34 --> 00:37:36 reserved, or they're a little bit more maybe
00:37:36 --> 00:37:40 timid, and so I had to deliver that same material,
00:37:41 --> 00:37:43 but now not so in your face, so this way they
00:37:43 --> 00:37:47 could hear me, and it's not offensive to them,
00:37:47 --> 00:37:51 or it's not intense, or it's not overly confident,
00:37:51 --> 00:37:53 because maybe some of those people aren't overly
00:37:53 --> 00:37:56 confident, they're not gonna relate to you. I
00:37:56 --> 00:37:59 don't remember what the question was. Just enjoying
00:37:59 --> 00:38:02 what you're saying, actually. But I think I just
00:38:02 --> 00:38:05 asked about, like, just the different scenes.
00:38:05 --> 00:38:07 Oh, yeah. You know, like, and do you have a favorite
00:38:07 --> 00:38:08 between them? Oh, New York, L .A. and Austin,
00:38:09 --> 00:38:12 yeah. I think, so, like, a lot of people will
00:38:12 --> 00:38:16 talk, I feel like ever since Austin, you know,
00:38:16 --> 00:38:19 since the, you know, the new reign of, like,
00:38:19 --> 00:38:20 the mothership, because obviously Austin was
00:38:20 --> 00:38:24 its whole scene ever before, you know, Joe Rogan
00:38:24 --> 00:38:29 moved here. Um, and I think that because Austin
00:38:29 --> 00:38:32 started to have such a spotlight on it, like
00:38:32 --> 00:38:34 with that, you know, with them moving here, LA
00:38:34 --> 00:38:36 and New York always used to talk shit about each
00:38:36 --> 00:38:38 other. It was always like these two, cause those
00:38:38 --> 00:38:40 are the two big scenes. Those were the only two
00:38:40 --> 00:38:42 scenes you can really make it, you know, by LA
00:38:42 --> 00:38:44 and New York. And then all of a sudden Austin
00:38:44 --> 00:38:48 opens up, opens up the new guard, whatever. Then
00:38:48 --> 00:38:52 now these two, oh, they're, they love to talk
00:38:52 --> 00:38:56 shit about Austin. And Liz Splatt actually had
00:38:56 --> 00:38:58 a good, she did like one of those like street
00:38:58 --> 00:39:00 interview things and she was like, it's annoying
00:39:00 --> 00:39:03 that like, I'm going to butcher it a little bit,
00:39:03 --> 00:39:07 but she was basically saying where, where it's
00:39:07 --> 00:39:09 annoying that it's like, we wouldn't want, you
00:39:09 --> 00:39:11 know, Americans wouldn't want to be represented,
00:39:12 --> 00:39:14 like represented by one president. Cause say
00:39:14 --> 00:39:17 like, whatever, if you're Republican or Democrat,
00:39:17 --> 00:39:19 like whoever the president is, like half the
00:39:19 --> 00:39:21 country is against that person and half the country
00:39:21 --> 00:39:24 is for that person. And you're like, don't you
00:39:24 --> 00:39:27 don't know about America based on just our fucking
00:39:27 --> 00:39:29 president like you don't know what we want or
00:39:29 --> 00:39:31 like it's the same thing with Austin where I
00:39:31 --> 00:39:33 feel like there's two big names that everybody
00:39:33 --> 00:39:36 and it's like and you see these New York and
00:39:36 --> 00:39:40 LA comics who clearly have not come through and
00:39:40 --> 00:39:43 done like the real Austin scene. And they're
00:39:43 --> 00:39:45 like, oh, Austin comics are this and Austin comics
00:39:45 --> 00:39:47 are that. And I'm like, you don't know what the
00:39:47 --> 00:39:48 fuck you're talking about. Cause that's just
00:39:48 --> 00:39:51 not even true. You're basing it on the most surface,
00:39:51 --> 00:39:55 you know, uh, the, the entry point of Austin.
00:39:55 --> 00:39:59 And it's like, that's so unfair. Um, and yeah,
00:40:00 --> 00:40:03 that part I don't like, but uh, Like I said,
00:40:03 --> 00:40:06 I think all of them have a different approach.
00:40:07 --> 00:40:09 And, but I do think the thing that New York and
00:40:09 --> 00:40:11 LA has that like Austin doesn't have yet, and
00:40:11 --> 00:40:14 maybe it will if it gets bigger and bigger, but
00:40:14 --> 00:40:17 because Austin is very small, like, you know,
00:40:17 --> 00:40:20 population -wise and their comedy community -wise,
00:40:20 --> 00:40:25 it's definitely, it makes it way less competitive.
00:40:25 --> 00:40:27 Like, you can move, anybody can move here in
00:40:27 --> 00:40:29 Austin and you can be on the top shows, like,
00:40:29 --> 00:40:32 in a month. You know, there's no barrier of entry.
00:40:33 --> 00:40:35 In LA and New York, it takes years to get on
00:40:35 --> 00:40:38 the dope shows. Even if you're a killer at two
00:40:38 --> 00:40:40 years, even if, like, you're doing your thing,
00:40:40 --> 00:40:42 even if you have a following, like, people don't
00:40:42 --> 00:40:45 give a fuck about you and people, like, and they're
00:40:45 --> 00:40:47 competitive. And so it's like, it will take you
00:40:47 --> 00:40:49 many, many years just to get on, like, the dope
00:40:49 --> 00:40:52 cool shows. Like, let alone, let alone even the
00:40:52 --> 00:40:54 clubs know who the fuck you are or, like, you
00:40:54 --> 00:40:57 know, give you any opportunity. And it just makes
00:40:57 --> 00:41:00 it so much more competitive, which kind of forces
00:41:00 --> 00:41:02 like the people who are going to rise up, like
00:41:02 --> 00:41:04 you're going to rise the fuck up because that's
00:41:04 --> 00:41:06 the only way to do it versus here. It's like,
00:41:06 --> 00:41:08 I mean, again, it's nice. Again, like when I
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10 first moved here, it's like I could hit up anybody
00:41:10 --> 00:41:14 and I can get on any show immediately. You know,
00:41:14 --> 00:41:17 and I've seen comics who are one year in and
00:41:17 --> 00:41:18 they're on the top. They're on the best shows
00:41:18 --> 00:41:21 because it's just not as many comics. It's just
00:41:21 --> 00:41:25 not as competitive. It's just not as, like, difficult
00:41:25 --> 00:41:27 to get stage time. It's very easy to get stage
00:41:27 --> 00:41:30 time here. Which, again, on one hand is really
00:41:30 --> 00:41:33 good for certain comics because, you know, you
00:41:33 --> 00:41:35 need to get those reps in, you need to get those
00:41:35 --> 00:41:37 reps in. In LA, we don't get the reps in with
00:41:37 --> 00:41:40 the show, like, when you're first starting, like,
00:41:40 --> 00:41:41 years five and below. You're getting the reps
00:41:41 --> 00:41:44 in with the mics, which people are like, oh,
00:41:44 --> 00:41:47 mics suck because it's all comedians. Guess what?
00:41:47 --> 00:41:49 Like, if you get the comedians to laugh, you
00:41:49 --> 00:41:51 know your shit's dope. It's usually the comics
00:41:51 --> 00:41:54 who can't get other comics to laugh and they
00:41:54 --> 00:41:56 only can get an audience to laugh, which usually
00:41:56 --> 00:41:58 the audience are definitely, you know, they're
00:41:58 --> 00:42:00 a lot easier to make laugh than comics because
00:42:00 --> 00:42:02 they're, they're less educated on it. You know
00:42:02 --> 00:42:07 what I mean? Like, so I feel like if you're,
00:42:07 --> 00:42:10 if like, you're really, if you're dope and what
00:42:10 --> 00:42:13 you're doing is like legit. the comics are gonna
00:42:13 --> 00:42:15 laugh at you. Like, again, it might take two
00:42:15 --> 00:42:17 years, but like once you get that, you're like,
00:42:18 --> 00:42:20 you know your shit's gold and you know it's like,
00:42:20 --> 00:42:23 you know, gold standard, whatever. But there's
00:42:23 --> 00:42:27 just not that, there's not that here, but it
00:42:27 --> 00:42:29 doesn't mean that like you still can't develop
00:42:29 --> 00:42:33 or whatever. But yeah, I think Austin is great,
00:42:33 --> 00:42:36 especially for... uh, comics who kind of like
00:42:36 --> 00:42:38 in the in between where it's like, okay, you've
00:42:38 --> 00:42:40 been featuring on the road for a lot. You're
00:42:40 --> 00:42:42 trying to like become a headliner and, you know,
00:42:42 --> 00:42:45 build your own audience. And like the thing that
00:42:45 --> 00:42:47 you care about the most is like getting reps
00:42:47 --> 00:42:49 in and just, you know, constantly like developing
00:42:49 --> 00:42:52 your material. I think it's really good for that.
00:42:52 --> 00:42:55 Um, and I also think that the scene will just
00:42:55 --> 00:42:59 continue to grow, you know? Um, and yeah, so...
00:42:59 --> 00:43:02 If you're broke and you need a place to live
00:43:02 --> 00:43:05 where the cost of living is low, it's like, yeah,
00:43:05 --> 00:43:09 you're going to come to Austin. If you're five
00:43:09 --> 00:43:10 years in and you're like, okay, I'm ready to
00:43:10 --> 00:43:13 compete and I'm ready to learn and I'm ready
00:43:13 --> 00:43:14 to be challenged, then it's like you're going
00:43:14 --> 00:43:18 to go to LA or New York. If you also want to
00:43:18 --> 00:43:21 write, you want to get a writer's job or you
00:43:21 --> 00:43:23 want to get into acting, then you're going to
00:43:23 --> 00:43:26 go to New York or LA. Because there's just way
00:43:26 --> 00:43:29 more opportunity for those other fields. I feel
00:43:29 --> 00:43:31 like that's the other thing. Austin, it's like,
00:43:31 --> 00:43:33 it's kind of just stand up right now. It's like
00:43:33 --> 00:43:35 there's not like a whole, you know, television
00:43:35 --> 00:43:39 scene here or there's not like, you know, I don't
00:43:39 --> 00:43:41 know. Like I just feel like LA, there's just
00:43:41 --> 00:43:43 so many, LA and New York, there's just so many
00:43:43 --> 00:43:45 more opportunities. But if you're just concentrating
00:43:45 --> 00:43:48 on stand up, it's very affordable to do it here
00:43:48 --> 00:43:51 and you can get a lot of stage time. And I think
00:43:51 --> 00:43:53 for certain people in certain areas, like that's
00:43:53 --> 00:43:55 going to be really good for them. Yeah. You know,
00:43:56 --> 00:43:57 actually, like you're kind of like open my eyes
00:43:57 --> 00:43:59 to like some things actually, like some things
00:43:59 --> 00:44:02 I've said on here because, you know, like, because
00:44:02 --> 00:44:05 I know that I've never, I've never been to, you
00:44:05 --> 00:44:08 know, LA or New York or nothing like that. I've
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11 been in New York, but not for comedy. So I know
00:44:11 --> 00:44:13 that, right. But I didn't realize that what I
00:44:13 --> 00:44:15 was saying, like how much I guess it was maybe,
00:44:15 --> 00:44:17 maybe the right word would be like privilege.
00:44:17 --> 00:44:20 That like when I first, when I first got here
00:44:20 --> 00:44:22 and I first like, you know, I was immediately
00:44:22 --> 00:44:24 like, I'm going to do stand up. and there were
00:44:24 --> 00:44:28 so many options to do it. I just opened up a
00:44:28 --> 00:44:30 book and I'm like, all right, I'll just go to
00:44:30 --> 00:44:33 stand up here, here, here, and here. Then at
00:44:33 --> 00:44:37 the time, I didn't know what the mothership even
00:44:37 --> 00:44:39 was. Sorry about those little bastards by the
00:44:39 --> 00:44:40 way. I've been trying to get rid of them for
00:44:40 --> 00:44:43 a week. But at the time, I didn't know what the
00:44:43 --> 00:44:48 mothership was. I go down there and then I see
00:44:48 --> 00:44:51 that and then I met one of the door guys. Everybody
00:44:51 --> 00:44:53 was there super nice, you know, he was really
00:44:53 --> 00:44:55 funny. Whoever that guy was, he was so funny.
00:44:56 --> 00:44:58 And, you know, even then, like I've heard like
00:44:58 --> 00:45:01 even some comedians on the show, like literally
00:45:01 --> 00:45:04 told me that the first, excuse me, that the first
00:45:04 --> 00:45:05 thing that, you know, they were able, like the
00:45:05 --> 00:45:07 first days that they were able to get one was
00:45:07 --> 00:45:09 actually at the mothership, which right now I'm
00:45:09 --> 00:45:11 like, it's fucking insane. You know, so, but
00:45:11 --> 00:45:13 it goes to show like how, what you're saying.
00:45:13 --> 00:45:17 More accessible. More accessible. It is. But
00:45:17 --> 00:45:21 what was your first impression having all the
00:45:21 --> 00:45:23 scenes and coming from New York and LA? What
00:45:23 --> 00:45:26 was your first impression of Austin? Was it a
00:45:26 --> 00:45:28 positive one or were you sitting there like,
00:45:29 --> 00:45:31 what were you thinking? If I'm going to be 1000
00:45:31 --> 00:45:36 % honest, I hated it. Before I moved here, I
00:45:36 --> 00:45:40 was visiting. I feature on the road a lot for
00:45:40 --> 00:45:44 Kurt Metzger. Kurt Metzger moved out to Austin.
00:45:44 --> 00:45:47 Um, and so I was just like doing a visit and
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49 just like doing a run and like, this is more
00:45:49 --> 00:45:52 so of like the actual city of Austin that I'm
00:45:52 --> 00:45:57 speaking on. Um, so small. It's so small. The
00:45:57 --> 00:46:00 fucking freeways. I can't, it's just, it angers
00:46:00 --> 00:46:03 me in a way where I go. someone's got to get
00:46:03 --> 00:46:06 a shot in the head for this. Like, what is happening
00:46:06 --> 00:46:12 here? I'm just so used to, like, it was such
00:46:12 --> 00:46:13 a culture shock. Again, I'm from Buffalo, so
00:46:13 --> 00:46:15 it's like I'm not from the same fancy place.
00:46:15 --> 00:46:19 But I'm from Buffalo, but I moved out to California
00:46:19 --> 00:46:21 in 2007. I was there for almost fucking, you
00:46:21 --> 00:46:23 know, up until last year. So it was almost 20
00:46:23 --> 00:46:28 years that I was in, you know. And so the thing
00:46:28 --> 00:46:31 that I'm so used to is it's like so many dense
00:46:31 --> 00:46:33 neighborhoods and like dense neighborhoods with
00:46:33 --> 00:46:36 like different ethnicities. Like this is like
00:46:36 --> 00:46:38 little Ethiopia. This is like little Italy. This
00:46:38 --> 00:46:42 is Taitown. This is Koreatown, Chinatown. And
00:46:42 --> 00:46:45 there's so many different like legit food spots
00:46:45 --> 00:46:47 with like people who don't even speak English.
00:46:47 --> 00:46:49 Like they're like legit from that country or
00:46:49 --> 00:46:51 whatever. and, like, you can immerse yourself
00:46:51 --> 00:46:54 in the culture. And, like, that's why I love
00:46:54 --> 00:46:55 New York and LA, because I've always been a person
00:46:55 --> 00:46:58 that, like, I don't know, I just, like, love
00:46:58 --> 00:46:59 learning about other people's cultures. Probably
00:46:59 --> 00:47:01 because, like, my family's, like, Puerto Rican
00:47:01 --> 00:47:05 and Irish, and I... One of my brothers, his dad
00:47:05 --> 00:47:08 is from Yemen. I was always around a lot of different,
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10 my babysitter, she wasn't really my babysitter,
00:47:10 --> 00:47:12 she was just my neighbor and my mom was never
00:47:12 --> 00:47:13 home and so she was just like, would be nice
00:47:13 --> 00:47:17 and feed me dinner. I'll watch your kid. Yeah,
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19 she's like, okay, your mom's not home, that's
00:47:19 --> 00:47:22 weird. But they were a black family and so I
00:47:22 --> 00:47:25 was just always around so many different races.
00:47:25 --> 00:47:27 and, you know, different types of people. And
00:47:27 --> 00:47:29 I just, I didn't even realize because again,
00:47:29 --> 00:47:31 I lived in New York and LA where it's like, that's
00:47:31 --> 00:47:33 just in your face everywhere. And then when I
00:47:33 --> 00:47:36 came here, it was like, none of that's here.
00:47:36 --> 00:47:41 Like it's very, it's very white cowboy culture
00:47:41 --> 00:47:43 or whatever. And that's fun. God bless. Like,
00:47:43 --> 00:47:46 you know, if you're, I, I'd say country is the
00:47:46 --> 00:47:51 music I listen, I'm the least educated on. And
00:47:51 --> 00:47:52 people are gonna be like, there's black people
00:47:52 --> 00:47:54 here, there's Mexican people. I know, but I'm
00:47:54 --> 00:47:56 saying like not in the numbers of where it is
00:47:56 --> 00:48:00 like in New York and LA. And it's so spread out.
00:48:01 --> 00:48:03 Um, again, there's not a lot of dense neighborhoods.
00:48:03 --> 00:48:06 Uh, there's so much construction on their one
00:48:06 --> 00:48:09 main freeway. So when I first moved here, uh,
00:48:09 --> 00:48:11 and it was during when all the fucking, what
00:48:11 --> 00:48:13 is it? The crickets are everywhere. Yeah. So
00:48:13 --> 00:48:15 I first got here, there's like crickets everywhere
00:48:15 --> 00:48:18 and there's no, there's no mountains. There's
00:48:18 --> 00:48:20 no, there's no palm trees. There's no ocean.
00:48:20 --> 00:48:23 So to me, in my opinion, I know I'm gonna get
00:48:23 --> 00:48:25 a lot of hate for it. I was just like, it's ugly.
00:48:25 --> 00:48:27 And again, I'm from an ugly ass place too. So
00:48:27 --> 00:48:31 it's like. Baby girl knows ugly. Okay, and to
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34 me Austin was ugly Especially coming from Southern,
00:48:34 --> 00:48:37 California where it's just the backdrop you could
00:48:37 --> 00:48:39 be in the parking lot of fucking Target and there's
00:48:39 --> 00:48:42 a see gorgeous mountains and Again, palm trees
00:48:42 --> 00:48:44 everywhere and the weather is like perfect all
00:48:44 --> 00:48:47 year round So when I first came here, I was like,
00:48:47 --> 00:48:49 I don't know what these people will talk about
00:48:49 --> 00:48:52 Austin like this place ain't it and then now
00:48:52 --> 00:48:56 Mind you, I had done stand -up in Texas before,
00:48:57 --> 00:48:58 like just featuring on the road for other people.
00:48:58 --> 00:49:02 I love Houston. I fucking love Houston and I
00:49:02 --> 00:49:04 love Dallas. Houston's my favorite though, because
00:49:04 --> 00:49:07 Houston is so diverse and it's so dense and there's
00:49:07 --> 00:49:09 so many different types of people and different
00:49:09 --> 00:49:12 types of food and different, like the buildings,
00:49:12 --> 00:49:15 it's just the architecture, like freeways make
00:49:15 --> 00:49:20 sense. So Austin just felt like, it just felt
00:49:20 --> 00:49:24 like, Like a girl with like you know who just
00:49:24 --> 00:49:28 cakes on her makeup And it's like she's got extensions
00:49:28 --> 00:49:30 in and lashes not saying that woman can be beautiful
00:49:30 --> 00:49:32 But it's like then when you see them like yeah,
00:49:33 --> 00:49:35 I feel say you're like this is very different
00:49:35 --> 00:49:38 right now So I felt like like it was like a lie.
00:49:38 --> 00:49:40 You know where people like it's this it's that
00:49:40 --> 00:49:43 it's this and that and I was like I don't see
00:49:43 --> 00:49:47 it um but then I moved here basically because
00:49:47 --> 00:49:52 I was I totaled my car in Los Angeles, and, like,
00:49:52 --> 00:49:55 at the same time, too, I, like, lost, like, two
00:49:55 --> 00:49:58 major streams of income that were kind of, like,
00:49:58 --> 00:50:00 comedy adjacent. I was, like, working in film
00:50:00 --> 00:50:03 production, and then I was, like, a booking producer
00:50:03 --> 00:50:07 for a podcast, and then I was, like, helping
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09 Kurt and Kyle. They had, like, a sketch show,
00:50:09 --> 00:50:11 and I was, like, getting paid to do that. But
00:50:11 --> 00:50:12 it was just, like, all these things, like, dried
00:50:12 --> 00:50:14 up, and then I got in a car accident, and then
00:50:14 --> 00:50:18 I was, like... I was like trying to get just
00:50:18 --> 00:50:21 like a normal job, but I was like, I don't really
00:50:21 --> 00:50:24 wanna get another job again. But then Kurt was
00:50:24 --> 00:50:26 out here and he's like, just come stay with me,
00:50:26 --> 00:50:28 like stay with me for a bit. And so my original
00:50:28 --> 00:50:30 plan was like, okay, I'm just gonna go to Austin,
00:50:30 --> 00:50:32 I'm gonna stay with them, stay at a three bedroom
00:50:32 --> 00:50:35 house, like a spare room. And I was like, I'll
00:50:35 --> 00:50:36 get on my feet, just get some money and then
00:50:36 --> 00:50:38 I'll go to New York. Because I was like, I don't
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39 have my car. So I was like, I might as well go
00:50:39 --> 00:50:43 to New York, I don't need a car. And then yeah,
00:50:43 --> 00:50:47 I got to audition. at the mothership and then
00:50:47 --> 00:50:49 Adam offered me a job. And I was like, OK, I
00:50:49 --> 00:50:54 don't really have any, you know, there's I have
00:50:54 --> 00:50:57 no like plan right now. And I was like, this
00:50:57 --> 00:51:00 is going to give me some stability of like having
00:51:00 --> 00:51:05 this paycheck. And yeah, that's kind of how I
00:51:05 --> 00:51:08 how I ended up staying. And yeah. And again,
00:51:09 --> 00:51:11 like everything I'm saying about Austin, that's
00:51:11 --> 00:51:14 just my physical like the appearance of the city.
00:51:14 --> 00:51:16 It's not like, you know, there's wonderful things
00:51:16 --> 00:51:20 about Austin, you know. And like I said, it was
00:51:20 --> 00:51:23 very easy to get stage time. It was like so easy
00:51:23 --> 00:51:27 where I was like, what? I was like, are you sure?
00:51:28 --> 00:51:30 Yeah, give it, give it. Yeah, sure. I'll do it.
00:51:30 --> 00:51:33 Everybody was just like nice and cool. There
00:51:33 --> 00:51:36 wasn't a lot of like, and the thing that is good
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38 because there aren't so many like, like I said,
00:51:39 --> 00:51:41 defined big scenes. It's kind of just all like
00:51:41 --> 00:51:43 one scene, even though like they do have like,
00:51:43 --> 00:51:45 you know, there are shows that like would be
00:51:45 --> 00:51:47 considered like, you know, more of like the alt
00:51:47 --> 00:51:50 side or whatever, but everybody does everything.
00:51:50 --> 00:51:53 And so it's not like, okay, we're this and we're
00:51:53 --> 00:51:56 this and we're this and we're that. Um, everybody
00:51:56 --> 00:52:00 can kind of go everywhere. Um, and, um, it's
00:52:00 --> 00:52:02 also like not as clicky, which is like super
00:52:02 --> 00:52:05 nice too. Like LA and New York like clicky as
00:52:05 --> 00:52:09 fuck. Um, yeah. And, uh, but it's like, that's
00:52:09 --> 00:52:12 fine. That's normal. Um, when you're, you know,
00:52:12 --> 00:52:14 when it's just so many more people and so many
00:52:14 --> 00:52:17 more scenes, it's going to happen. Uh, so I feel
00:52:17 --> 00:52:21 like Austin, yeah, there's, there's, it's good
00:52:21 --> 00:52:23 and there's, it's bad and it just depends on
00:52:23 --> 00:52:25 like where you're at and like what you need.
00:52:26 --> 00:52:28 Um, and so yeah, there's a lot of Austin that
00:52:28 --> 00:52:31 I do appreciate too. Oh yeah. Basically like,
00:52:31 --> 00:52:35 so you get the, uh, you get the audition to go
00:52:35 --> 00:52:40 to. the mothership and everything. So the mothership
00:52:40 --> 00:52:42 for me, my first impression of it was just like,
00:52:42 --> 00:52:44 oh, it's just another comedy club. But I didn't
00:52:44 --> 00:52:47 realize what it actually was like here. It seems
00:52:47 --> 00:52:51 like it's almost like a castle or something.
00:52:52 --> 00:52:53 you know that's up on the hill like you have
00:52:53 --> 00:52:56 to you got to try to get there yeah you got to
00:52:56 --> 00:52:58 work hard there did you find that that was kind
00:52:58 --> 00:53:00 of similar with like comedy clubs elsewhere as
00:53:00 --> 00:53:03 well yeah i mean i came from uh los angeles and
00:53:03 --> 00:53:05 the sore is the castle there and the sore and
00:53:05 --> 00:53:08 the cellar are like the two big i look at them
00:53:08 --> 00:53:12 like uh like uh like institutions like similar
00:53:12 --> 00:53:14 to like harvard yale stanford where it's like
00:53:14 --> 00:53:17 before, you know, the Ivy Leagues for comedy,
00:53:17 --> 00:53:20 it was just the seller and the store. Obviously,
00:53:20 --> 00:53:21 there's an improv of the Laugh Factory, but they
00:53:21 --> 00:53:24 don't have the same, they don't develop and build
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26 you in the same way that, like, the store and
00:53:26 --> 00:53:30 the seller do. So, the mothership opening up
00:53:30 --> 00:53:33 was, you know, and them doing the door guy system
00:53:33 --> 00:53:36 that they built off of, you know, the comedy
00:53:36 --> 00:53:39 store. That was, uh, now you're opening another
00:53:39 --> 00:53:42 Ivy League school in an area where, literally,
00:53:43 --> 00:53:45 Physically and metaphorically in the middle of
00:53:45 --> 00:53:49 these two places. Yeah, and so it just That's
00:53:49 --> 00:53:51 what I always say to words like the people who
00:53:51 --> 00:53:53 talk so much shit about LA and New York I'm like,
00:53:53 --> 00:53:55 I mean the people in LA and New York who talk
00:53:55 --> 00:53:57 so much shit about Austin I'm like you don't
00:53:57 --> 00:53:59 understand that like at the end of the day like
00:53:59 --> 00:54:02 this is good for all of comedians all of comedy
00:54:02 --> 00:54:07 because It gives, again, there's so much saturation
00:54:07 --> 00:54:10 of, you know, comedy in these two places that
00:54:10 --> 00:54:12 when you're opening this other place, it now
00:54:12 --> 00:54:15 is like another, you know, institution where
00:54:15 --> 00:54:18 you can kind of, you can build and you can develop
00:54:18 --> 00:54:21 and you can make money and you can, you know,
00:54:21 --> 00:54:24 have a base here where it's like, doesn't have
00:54:24 --> 00:54:27 to be just these two places. And again, these
00:54:27 --> 00:54:30 two places being very expensive and, you know,
00:54:30 --> 00:54:32 LA has the, LA is the best weather of. everybody.
00:54:33 --> 00:54:34 But New York, it's like you're dealing with winter,
00:54:35 --> 00:54:36 here you're dealing with like fucking brutal
00:54:36 --> 00:54:39 heat. But it's like at least now we just have
00:54:39 --> 00:54:42 more choice and we have more, you know, because
00:54:42 --> 00:54:44 anybody can come through. There's comics who
00:54:44 --> 00:54:45 come all the time from LA and New York. They
00:54:45 --> 00:54:47 stay here for a week. They get their stage time.
00:54:47 --> 00:54:50 They get paid a lot higher than they do at the
00:54:50 --> 00:54:52 other two clubs. And you can make a little bit
00:54:52 --> 00:54:55 of money. And again, you could certify your material
00:54:55 --> 00:54:57 because, you know, not always they're like the
00:54:57 --> 00:55:01 internal certifying material in the scenes. Externally,
00:55:01 --> 00:55:03 now you go to East Coast, you go West Coast,
00:55:03 --> 00:55:05 you go to the South, and it's like, you're like,
00:55:05 --> 00:55:09 okay, I can get three kind of different markets
00:55:09 --> 00:55:13 and really test my material. So I think, yeah,
00:55:13 --> 00:55:16 the mothership is for sure the castle out here.
00:55:16 --> 00:55:18 And again, there's some people in Austin who
00:55:18 --> 00:55:22 don't fuck with the mothership and there's people
00:55:22 --> 00:55:23 outside that don't fuck with it. And there's
00:55:23 --> 00:55:25 people, it's like, but at the end of the day,
00:55:25 --> 00:55:28 it's like, it's a club where you can make money.
00:55:28 --> 00:55:31 You could certify your material. And you could,
00:55:31 --> 00:55:34 if you wanted to, you could, you know, have your
00:55:34 --> 00:55:35 life base be out here. And so it's like, at the
00:55:35 --> 00:55:38 end of the day, the more options and choices
00:55:38 --> 00:55:40 we give comics, it's like, that's only going
00:55:40 --> 00:55:43 to be better for comedians. Yeah. It seems like,
00:55:43 --> 00:55:46 like sort of where I'm at, it seems like, yeah,
00:55:46 --> 00:55:48 this is like, that's the place that you strive
00:55:48 --> 00:55:52 to get on that stage. You know, I, when I first
00:55:52 --> 00:55:56 realized what it was, I would go and see, just
00:55:56 --> 00:55:58 I think at the time, like back in 23, I think
00:55:58 --> 00:56:01 it was, Joe Rogan and friends. They would just
00:56:01 --> 00:56:03 be the constant like every week, I would just
00:56:03 --> 00:56:05 wait for him to like put out that bulletin and
00:56:05 --> 00:56:07 I would just go see that because I would see
00:56:07 --> 00:56:09 a ton of these different comedians like get up
00:56:09 --> 00:56:11 there. And I was like, man, like, I didn't even
00:56:11 --> 00:56:13 like, for example, I didn't even know like Ron
00:56:13 --> 00:56:15 White was like still a thing at 23. And then
00:56:15 --> 00:56:17 I see him. I'm like, he's still this great. Yeah.
00:56:17 --> 00:56:20 You know, I was really super impressed with Asana
00:56:20 --> 00:56:23 Maude because he would just open up like he had
00:56:23 --> 00:56:27 this like killer like Jets joke that I really
00:56:27 --> 00:56:30 liked. And and so I guess what I'm getting at
00:56:30 --> 00:56:34 is you could see the community that you applied
00:56:34 --> 00:56:37 to and then you got accepted into and everything.
00:56:39 --> 00:56:43 Is this helping you as far as your comedy goes?
00:56:43 --> 00:56:48 Do you get all of these great things that help
00:56:48 --> 00:56:52 you fine -tune your own comedy? Do you get that
00:56:52 --> 00:56:55 a lot? Is that all you all just really go off
00:56:55 --> 00:56:59 of, bounce on? Yeah, you mean like with the other
00:56:59 --> 00:57:01 comics like or do you mean like just watching
00:57:01 --> 00:57:04 them or what do you mean? Yeah, I guess I'm kind
00:57:04 --> 00:57:07 of getting a sense of like how like like how
00:57:07 --> 00:57:10 that has helped you Yeah, sorry. Sometimes like
00:57:10 --> 00:57:12 sometimes I just go off because I get like so
00:57:12 --> 00:57:14 curious and excited. You're good Yeah, but um,
00:57:15 --> 00:57:17 but yeah, like how is how is being there amongst
00:57:17 --> 00:57:20 all of these comedians? How is that like helped
00:57:20 --> 00:57:22 you? Yeah, I mean, I think just being at any
00:57:22 --> 00:57:26 club It's like any club is gonna be beneficial
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28 where it's like, I mean, no matter what, if you're
00:57:28 --> 00:57:30 a comedian, you're gonna be around other comics.
00:57:30 --> 00:57:33 So it's like, you don't have to be at a club
00:57:33 --> 00:57:35 to get, like, you know, the inspiration or to
00:57:35 --> 00:57:41 get the camaraderie or to, you know, just learn
00:57:41 --> 00:57:43 a skill set, like, just by watching instead of
00:57:43 --> 00:57:45 performing sometimes. Just being around other
00:57:45 --> 00:57:48 comedians, you're gonna get that. But at a club
00:57:48 --> 00:57:52 specifically, what's gonna help you is... There's
00:57:52 --> 00:57:54 times where it's like when you're just like a
00:57:54 --> 00:57:56 regular comedian and again like I start working
00:57:56 --> 00:57:58 at the mothership when I was 11 years in so I
00:57:58 --> 00:58:02 was like pretty much like all of the nitty -gritty
00:58:02 --> 00:58:05 like work of a comic has already been done so
00:58:05 --> 00:58:08 it's like I've already like developed but the
00:58:08 --> 00:58:10 doesn't mean like you're not gonna develop other
00:58:10 --> 00:58:14 skills or whatever but the the thing that like
00:58:14 --> 00:58:17 a club will like really help you with is, so
00:58:17 --> 00:58:20 you're gonna see the same exact people over and
00:58:20 --> 00:58:22 over and over and over versus in regular comedy
00:58:22 --> 00:58:24 world. You might, again, I'm not talking about
00:58:24 --> 00:58:27 Austin, but in New York and LA, it'll be six
00:58:27 --> 00:58:29 months before I see this, and like, they're working,
00:58:29 --> 00:58:31 hustling all the time. I'm working and hustling
00:58:31 --> 00:58:33 all the time, but there's just so many scenes
00:58:33 --> 00:58:35 that it's like, and there's so many rooms that
00:58:35 --> 00:58:37 like, we're never on the same fucking lineup.
00:58:38 --> 00:58:41 Here... one, at the mothership, and two, in Austin,
00:58:41 --> 00:58:43 because it's so small, you're on the same lineup
00:58:43 --> 00:58:46 over and over and over with so many of the same
00:58:46 --> 00:58:51 people. Yeah. And so, um, uh, one, it helps you,
00:58:51 --> 00:58:52 because, like, sometimes as a comic, you just,
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54 like, beat yourself up, like, oh, I don't have
00:58:54 --> 00:58:56 a new joke, I don't have a new joke. Like, you're,
00:58:56 --> 00:58:57 you're thinking you gotta come up with it, like,
00:58:57 --> 00:58:59 you know, every two weeks or whatever, but then
00:58:59 --> 00:59:01 you're seeing, you're like, no, everybody's kind
00:59:01 --> 00:59:03 of, you know, you're, because you're just seeing
00:59:03 --> 00:59:05 it over and over and over. Yeah. And so it makes,
00:59:05 --> 00:59:07 makes you, at least for me, it makes me, like,
00:59:07 --> 00:59:11 hate myself less. And I think at a club too,
00:59:12 --> 00:59:15 like when the goal of a stand -up comic, you
00:59:15 --> 00:59:18 know, or at least a near goal is like you want
00:59:18 --> 00:59:20 to be your own headliner and you want to be working
00:59:20 --> 00:59:24 the clubs. So like touring. So pretty much when
00:59:24 --> 00:59:26 you tour, you're doing clubs. You're not doing
00:59:26 --> 00:59:29 these alt rooms. You're not doing these like,
00:59:29 --> 00:59:30 obviously it depends on the kind of comic you
00:59:30 --> 00:59:32 are. But for the most part, you're performing
00:59:32 --> 00:59:34 at a club. You're performing at a club that,
00:59:34 --> 00:59:38 you know, they have their system in place. And
00:59:38 --> 00:59:43 so it's like, you want to be as familiar with
00:59:43 --> 00:59:47 a club scene, club setting, club audience as
00:59:47 --> 00:59:51 much as possible. Because one day when you headline,
00:59:51 --> 00:59:53 that's all you're doing is you're going on the
00:59:53 --> 00:59:58 road doing clubs. So being in that environment
00:59:58 --> 01:00:03 and just like... learning how the flow of a club
01:00:03 --> 01:00:07 works, learning the typical audience. Fridays
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09 and Saturdays, you're going to get more bachelor
01:00:09 --> 01:00:12 and bachelorette parties. Fridays and Saturdays,
01:00:12 --> 01:00:13 you're also going to get more birthday parties.
01:00:14 --> 01:00:15 On certain nights, you're going to get a lot
01:00:15 --> 01:00:18 of couples. On Wednesdays, it's for whatever
01:00:18 --> 01:00:20 reason, especially if you live in a city where
01:00:20 --> 01:00:23 they have a lot of, what are these things called?
01:00:24 --> 01:00:29 Quinceañeras? No. Uh, like the different fricking,
01:00:29 --> 01:00:31 like the people who come in from out of town,
01:00:31 --> 01:00:34 like the different, they have the fucking lanyards.
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36 It's, uh. Oh, there's festivals. Conventions.
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38 Conventions. Yeah. Oh yeah, the Comic -Cons and
01:00:38 --> 01:00:40 stuff like that. Yeah. And on the, exactly. So
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42 it's like, you're learning how to perform in
01:00:42 --> 01:00:43 front of convention people. Like, cause there's
01:00:43 --> 01:00:45 so many times on Wednesdays and Thursdays at
01:00:45 --> 01:00:47 the mothership, it's literally a group of 40
01:00:47 --> 01:00:50 of them. And I know because I'm, you know, working
01:00:50 --> 01:00:52 there and I see that they're all from the same
01:00:52 --> 01:00:54 place and you're like, oh, okay. So like. you
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 might want to do crowd work with this crowd of
01:00:56 --> 01:00:59 like, what's your guy's job? Who's the boss?
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01 Who makes the most money? Who do you hate at
01:01:01 --> 01:01:03 work? Like whatever, but it's like, you're not
01:01:03 --> 01:01:05 going to learn all those ins and outs, like,
01:01:05 --> 01:01:07 unless you're consistently like at a club, you
01:01:07 --> 01:01:09 know, and you're going to be way more comfortable
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12 at a club that you consistently perform at because
01:01:12 --> 01:01:16 you feel like you belong there. So it also allows
01:01:16 --> 01:01:19 you to feel like, okay, I can expand, I can spread
01:01:19 --> 01:01:22 my wings a little bit more. versus when you're
01:01:22 --> 01:01:24 just always doing these kind of like indie shows,
01:01:25 --> 01:01:28 whatever, you're not really building as much
01:01:28 --> 01:01:31 of a comfortability there because it's always
01:01:31 --> 01:01:33 like a new venue or whatever. Versus at a club
01:01:33 --> 01:01:39 that you're there every other fucking day. You
01:01:39 --> 01:01:44 just develop way more comfort. And so, yeah,
01:01:44 --> 01:01:47 I think it's just beneficial to be at a club
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 as much as possible. Yeah, I think it's really
01:01:49 --> 01:01:54 awesome. I've always wanted to work in a place
01:01:54 --> 01:01:56 like that, like an environment like that, like
01:01:56 --> 01:01:59 surrounded by comedians, because I simply just
01:01:59 --> 01:02:05 want to learn, because I'm very aware that I'm
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 very much in the learning stages, and it was
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10 something that I didn't realize that I would
01:02:10 --> 01:02:12 be in. But I feel like this is something that
01:02:12 --> 01:02:15 you're going to have to. like have an open mind
01:02:15 --> 01:02:18 about. Is there like a comedian, like I guess
01:02:18 --> 01:02:20 that you favor right now that you're just sort
01:02:20 --> 01:02:22 of like, I would really love to see them live.
01:02:22 --> 01:02:24 I really would love it. Like, I feel like I can
01:02:24 --> 01:02:26 learn something from it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
01:02:26 --> 01:02:29 I feel that way about so many comics, but just
01:02:29 --> 01:02:31 wanted to say something off you said. In the
01:02:31 --> 01:02:33 learning phase, you, to me, in my experience,
01:02:34 --> 01:02:36 the learning phase never ends. You're always
01:02:36 --> 01:02:38 like learning is just like in a different. you
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40 know, in a different position. Like, even if
01:02:40 --> 01:02:42 you are a world -touring headliner, it's like,
01:02:43 --> 01:02:45 okay, but then it's like, have you done an arena?
01:02:45 --> 01:02:48 Or they're gonna, you know, have you, like, uh,
01:02:48 --> 01:02:52 um, do you know how to perform, like, at a fucking
01:02:52 --> 01:02:54 award ceremony or what? Like, there's always
01:02:54 --> 01:02:56 gonna be, like, new things to, like, discover.
01:02:57 --> 01:02:58 And so, like, you're always gonna be looking
01:02:58 --> 01:03:01 up to your older comics as, like, people who
01:03:01 --> 01:03:04 can deliver information and that can, you know,
01:03:04 --> 01:03:07 give you cheat codes of, like, oh... X, Y, square,
01:03:07 --> 01:03:09 okay, that's how I do this. Okay, X, X, X, two
01:03:09 --> 01:03:11 Y, I don't know, video game, fucking paddles,
01:03:11 --> 01:03:15 but. Totally get it. Yeah, but yeah, so I mean,
01:03:16 --> 01:03:18 I'd say a comic that I have not seen live, like.
01:03:19 --> 01:03:21 Um, but I'm obsessed with them, probably John
01:03:21 --> 01:03:23 Mulaney. Um, I was gonna try to see him in Austin.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 I mean, thankfully, I've seen Louie live. I watched
01:03:26 --> 01:03:28 him because Kurt, uh, also used to open for Louie,
01:03:28 --> 01:03:30 or he still does like once in a while. And so,
01:03:30 --> 01:03:32 and I was opening for Kurt. So like we got, I
01:03:32 --> 01:03:35 got to go for one of his, uh, the special that
01:03:35 --> 01:03:39 he did at the Kodak Theater. Um, and, uh, I've
01:03:39 --> 01:03:41 also just seen him like at the improv or like
01:03:41 --> 01:03:44 at, um, at the cellar in New York. Uh, but John
01:03:44 --> 01:03:46 Mulaney is a person that I've not gotten to see
01:03:46 --> 01:03:50 live. Um, I also really love Maria Bamford. I've
01:03:50 --> 01:03:52 gotten to see her live. I love her. I love her
01:03:52 --> 01:03:54 so much. I've always loved her. You know, since
01:03:54 --> 01:03:57 those Comedy Central presents days, she was just
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 fantastic. I've actually spoken about her a bunch
01:03:59 --> 01:04:03 on here. Yeah, she's great. I also, obviously,
01:04:03 --> 01:04:05 Norm MacDonald is dead, but that's a perfect
01:04:05 --> 01:04:08 example of a comic where it's like, okay, I'm
01:04:08 --> 01:04:11 not similar to this comic whatsoever, like in
01:04:11 --> 01:04:15 style or whatever, but. I appreciate him so much
01:04:15 --> 01:04:18 for, like, what he does and, like, who he is
01:04:18 --> 01:04:21 and just what he means to stand -up comedy, like,
01:04:21 --> 01:04:24 in general. But that's a person that it's like,
01:04:24 --> 01:04:26 I'll study and I'll watch. But again, he's so
01:04:26 --> 01:04:29 different from me. But it's like, I still just,
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31 yeah, just appreciate him so much. But that's
01:04:31 --> 01:04:33 a person I'm like, I mean, just even meeting
01:04:33 --> 01:04:38 Norm. I, yeah. Man, I love talking to Norm. Yeah.
01:04:39 --> 01:04:40 Man, I used to, like, I always send people to,
01:04:40 --> 01:04:44 like, moth joke or something like that. I just
01:04:44 --> 01:04:48 love just the brilliance of just him. Just how
01:04:48 --> 01:04:52 he's just him. He's so intelligent. I actually
01:04:52 --> 01:04:56 was going to do a mini documentary. I started
01:04:56 --> 01:04:58 putting all the clips together and everything.
01:04:58 --> 01:05:01 Then when I started looking into the copyright
01:05:01 --> 01:05:03 shit, I was like, fuck man, this is not going
01:05:03 --> 01:05:04 to be as easy as this. Have you read his book?
01:05:05 --> 01:05:08 No, I haven't. You got to read his book. I'm
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 going to look into that. Norm's book, I'm gonna
01:05:10 --> 01:05:15 write that down. See, this is a big reason why
01:05:15 --> 01:05:17 I love this podcast. It's because I love, one,
01:05:17 --> 01:05:21 hearing experiences, and two, I love that you
01:05:21 --> 01:05:24 openly kind of share your knowledge. And I love
01:05:24 --> 01:05:27 that you put out there that it's a constant learning
01:05:27 --> 01:05:34 thing. Because I feel like just... you are a
01:05:34 --> 01:05:38 stand -up comic. I feel like in your, I guess,
01:05:38 --> 01:05:41 your spirit or whatever that you just know without
01:05:41 --> 01:05:43 a fraction of a doubt. Yeah. But have you ever
01:05:43 --> 01:05:45 found that you've doubted yourself? Have you
01:05:45 --> 01:05:47 ever been like, I don't know if this is what
01:05:47 --> 01:05:49 I want to do? Oh, all the time. All the time?
01:05:49 --> 01:05:53 All the time. All the time. I think the people,
01:05:53 --> 01:05:55 and again, this is my personal opinion, but I
01:05:55 --> 01:05:58 think the people who tend to be the actual funniest
01:05:58 --> 01:06:04 comics are the people who their soul has the
01:06:04 --> 01:06:07 most merit in our art form are the people who
01:06:07 --> 01:06:10 either want to kill themselves or they're always
01:06:10 --> 01:06:13 like, should I quit? Is this, you know, I think
01:06:13 --> 01:06:17 there's a comic is usually the person who can,
01:06:17 --> 01:06:22 you know, always be, always meet humility. I
01:06:22 --> 01:06:25 think that if you are always like, I got this
01:06:25 --> 01:06:27 all together and this is all right, you're probably
01:06:27 --> 01:06:29 not a good comic. Because at the end of the day,
01:06:29 --> 01:06:33 it's like a comedy, a comic is the person who
01:06:33 --> 01:06:36 can like narrate life, a person who can narrate
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 a scene, a person who can narrate like a moment.
01:06:38 --> 01:06:41 And if you don't have the perspective, you don't
01:06:41 --> 01:06:44 have the, your perception is not. Truly like
01:06:44 --> 01:06:47 in tune if you're only seeing the good and that
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49 means that like your perspective isn't good because
01:06:49 --> 01:06:52 it's like the the more There is no such thing
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54 as like absolute good and absolute bad or absolute
01:06:54 --> 01:06:57 right absolute wrong So a comic is a person where
01:06:57 --> 01:07:00 it's like you're always able to scale back on
01:07:00 --> 01:07:03 either end whether it's in in anything You know,
01:07:03 --> 01:07:05 whether it's in politics whether it's in, you
01:07:05 --> 01:07:08 know a car accident whether it's in, you know
01:07:08 --> 01:07:11 How you feel of your self -worth? It's always
01:07:11 --> 01:07:14 like, you should be able to go all the way this
01:07:14 --> 01:07:16 way and all the way that way. Because that's
01:07:16 --> 01:07:19 what good comics do. That's what a person, not
01:07:19 --> 01:07:21 even a comic, but just a person who has, you
01:07:21 --> 01:07:24 know, self -awareness or a person who is highly
01:07:24 --> 01:07:26 perceptive is you have the ability to go this
01:07:26 --> 01:07:28 way, that way, this way, that way, this way.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:32 And so if a person is like, oh, I feel so solid
01:07:32 --> 01:07:34 and I feel so good, it's like, well, you're missing
01:07:34 --> 01:07:38 the whole rest of the picture. So I think that
01:07:38 --> 01:07:41 it's so normal and natural to to wanna fucking
01:07:41 --> 01:07:45 quit or to wanna give up or to think that you're
01:07:45 --> 01:07:48 bad at it or you should, like you should always
01:07:48 --> 01:07:50 think you're bad at it. Cause it's like, you
01:07:50 --> 01:07:52 think you're good at it, then it's like, there's
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 no good comedy that's gonna come from that. Like
01:07:53 --> 01:07:56 I'm good at comedy. It's like, all right, like
01:07:56 --> 01:07:58 then it doesn't seem like there's much more to
01:07:58 --> 01:08:01 grow. Oh man, well, I think you kind of vindicated
01:08:01 --> 01:08:03 something in me because now I'm like, oh good,
01:08:03 --> 01:08:05 okay. Cause like for a minute there, I was like.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 Man, I really, really, really suck at this. Yeah,
01:08:08 --> 01:08:12 that's normal. Yeah. But there is times I do
01:08:12 --> 01:08:13 want to quit because I'm like, I just don't know
01:08:13 --> 01:08:17 if I'm a stand -up comedian. Yeah. But there's
01:08:17 --> 01:08:20 also a thing in me that I always have, I got
01:08:20 --> 01:08:24 to keep going. I got to just keep going. That's
01:08:24 --> 01:08:27 another thing I love about just comedians, is
01:08:27 --> 01:08:29 that you just keep getting up there all the time.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:32 So I guess my, you know, my next question would
01:08:32 --> 01:08:33 be like, where, where are you going from here?
01:08:33 --> 01:08:35 Like, do you have any kind of goals for your
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38 comedic journey? Yeah. Um, I mean, my big goal
01:08:38 --> 01:08:41 is to, I want to start doing my podcast again
01:08:41 --> 01:08:45 too. Um, and, um, I want to do that. I want to
01:08:45 --> 01:08:47 build my audience cause like my goal is like,
01:08:47 --> 01:08:49 I, you know, obviously I want to be headliner
01:08:49 --> 01:08:53 and I want to like have my own tour and be my
01:08:53 --> 01:08:55 own person. Um, and not constantly opening up
01:08:55 --> 01:08:56 for other people, even though like obviously
01:08:56 --> 01:08:59 I've totally enjoyed that and love that, but
01:08:59 --> 01:09:01 it's like. I, you know, you have your own voice,
01:09:01 --> 01:09:04 you have your own perspective, and it's like
01:09:04 --> 01:09:06 you want to find your tribe of people who are
01:09:06 --> 01:09:09 like, who understand your perspective, who understand
01:09:09 --> 01:09:14 your voice, and who, you know, they appreciate
01:09:14 --> 01:09:18 your humor, they appreciate, you know, the, what
01:09:18 --> 01:09:22 you're cooking up. And so like my goal is, yeah,
01:09:22 --> 01:09:24 I mean, I'm also not the kind of comic where
01:09:24 --> 01:09:27 it's like, you know, this could be to my detriment
01:09:27 --> 01:09:31 or whatever, but For whatever reason, I've never
01:09:31 --> 01:09:34 been in a comic where I'm like, I feel so compelled
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36 to be like, I constantly have to be putting out
01:09:36 --> 01:09:37 content, I have to do this, I have to do that.
01:09:37 --> 01:09:39 And I've definitely gone through phases, but
01:09:39 --> 01:09:42 then it's like after a month, I go, it's just
01:09:42 --> 01:09:46 not me. I don't feel, I'm so comfortable and
01:09:46 --> 01:09:49 confident in like who I am and like what I do
01:09:49 --> 01:09:53 that I don't feel like I have to... you know,
01:09:53 --> 01:09:55 force myself, because there's tons of ideas that
01:09:55 --> 01:09:58 I could do for content where I'm like, okay,
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59 this could get me a following, okay, this could
01:09:59 --> 01:10:01 get me a following. Obviously, I could just fucking
01:10:01 --> 01:10:03 be online in a fucking bikini, like, whatever.
01:10:04 --> 01:10:07 But it's like, I, that's just not what I want
01:10:07 --> 01:10:10 to do. Like I want to do it organically. And
01:10:10 --> 01:10:12 even just like I said, like little meme ideas
01:10:12 --> 01:10:14 or little like internet trends or something.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:17 It's like, yeah, you can quickly get, you know,
01:10:17 --> 01:10:20 an audience that way. But it's like I'm trying
01:10:20 --> 01:10:26 to build like a very savvy comedy crowd, like
01:10:26 --> 01:10:29 people who genuinely like appreciate this art
01:10:29 --> 01:10:33 form and are knowledgeable in this art form.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:36 Those are the, you know, it's kind of like David
01:10:36 --> 01:10:37 Tell where it's like David Tell, it's like he
01:10:37 --> 01:10:39 doesn't have five million followers, you know,
01:10:39 --> 01:10:42 but David Tell is like one of the fucking goats
01:10:42 --> 01:10:45 of all time, you know? He's amazing. Yes. Incredible.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:48 Yes. I've got to meet David Tell too. He doesn't
01:10:48 --> 01:10:51 know who I am. Yeah, but just like just seeing
01:10:51 --> 01:10:53 I'm like, oh my god, like you've fucking influenced
01:10:53 --> 01:10:57 me so much. Um, but uh, but yeah, it's like,
01:10:57 --> 01:10:59 you know, David Tell is not again. I mean, I
01:10:59 --> 01:11:02 don't know his personal choices. but it doesn't
01:11:02 --> 01:11:04 seem like he's this person where he's like he's
01:11:04 --> 01:11:06 trying to like jump on a trend or he's trying
01:11:06 --> 01:11:08 to keep up with the kids or he's trying it's
01:11:08 --> 01:11:10 like no he knows who he is he knows he's a goat
01:11:10 --> 01:11:14 all the comics you know who so many people are
01:11:14 --> 01:11:17 come under him and um they know that like he's
01:11:17 --> 01:11:20 a king and he's legit and it's like um you can
01:11:20 --> 01:11:23 chase the followers or you could chase the money
01:11:23 --> 01:11:26 or you can chase you know um, whatever it is
01:11:26 --> 01:11:28 that you need for like your validation. But I
01:11:28 --> 01:11:31 think for me, um, I just, the older I've gotten,
01:11:31 --> 01:11:36 I've just, uh, for sure have so much, uh, understanding
01:11:36 --> 01:11:39 and, uh, confidence like with myself and my self
01:11:39 --> 01:11:42 worth is definitely didn't used to be good, but,
01:11:43 --> 01:11:45 um, you know, where it's at now to where it's
01:11:45 --> 01:11:47 like, I'm not going to chase like bullshit. I
01:11:47 --> 01:11:50 want to build something that I'm passionate about
01:11:50 --> 01:11:52 that's organic and that's not me trying to be
01:11:52 --> 01:11:54 like, look at me, look at me, look at me. Like,
01:11:54 --> 01:11:56 I don't fucking need attention like that. And
01:11:56 --> 01:11:58 like, I mean, it's weird being a stand -up comedian
01:11:58 --> 01:11:59 because it's like, you feel like the people,
01:12:00 --> 01:12:02 most of these motherfuckers need attention. Most
01:12:02 --> 01:12:04 of these motherfuckers like didn't do their homework,
01:12:04 --> 01:12:06 don't know the fucking art form. They just want
01:12:06 --> 01:12:08 to be famous and that's why they're here. You
01:12:08 --> 01:12:10 could tell. You could tell on their jokes. Yeah.
01:12:10 --> 01:12:14 A thousand percent. But for me, I just think
01:12:14 --> 01:12:16 that's... That's just not how I get down and
01:12:16 --> 01:12:19 God bless anybody could do it anybody could do
01:12:19 --> 01:12:26 whatever they want but I just Yeah, I I don't
01:12:26 --> 01:12:30 need validation. I don't need attention and You
01:12:30 --> 01:12:32 know again, there's tons of times where I feel
01:12:32 --> 01:12:36 like I wish that I did because I would be so
01:12:36 --> 01:12:39 much more like Present online I'd be so much
01:12:39 --> 01:12:43 more like, you know wanting to build that fan
01:12:43 --> 01:12:46 base like in any way to where I could be like,
01:12:46 --> 01:12:48 okay, I have my 500 followers or I have
01:12:48 --> 01:12:51 my million subscribers, whatever it is. But to
01:12:51 --> 01:12:57 me, I'm like, I don't want to, I don't want just
01:12:57 --> 01:13:02 like surface attention. Yeah, totally get it.
01:13:02 --> 01:13:07 Yeah. I'm in the same way. So think about...
01:13:07 --> 01:13:10 the people that have followed the podcast, for
01:13:10 --> 01:13:12 example, and stuff like that. I'm very grateful
01:13:12 --> 01:13:15 for it because to me, it's quality over quantity
01:13:15 --> 01:13:18 kind of thing. I'm not really worried about the
01:13:18 --> 01:13:21 millions and millions of viewers or nothing like
01:13:21 --> 01:13:24 that. I just want everybody who likes it to actually
01:13:24 --> 01:13:27 like it. That's really a big reason why, and
01:13:27 --> 01:13:29 I know I told you this before, is the reason
01:13:29 --> 01:13:31 why I wanted to get you on is because I saw you,
01:13:31 --> 01:13:34 I really liked your stuff, I was a fan. You spoke
01:13:34 --> 01:13:37 a second ago about that. uh, you know, just,
01:13:38 --> 01:13:42 you know, your quality, you know? And, uh, and
01:13:42 --> 01:13:44 a lot of times, like, when I identify things
01:13:44 --> 01:13:47 in comedians, like, I'll identify their, their
01:13:47 --> 01:13:50 structure, you know? And that's like, that to
01:13:50 --> 01:13:53 me is like a huge, like, indicator that, man,
01:13:53 --> 01:13:55 I'm like, that's something that I'm still like,
01:13:55 --> 01:13:57 I want to learn from. And I love that they're
01:13:57 --> 01:13:59 doing it. You know, David Tell is like a fucking
01:13:59 --> 01:14:02 master. Powerhouse. He says shit that I'm, like,
01:14:03 --> 01:14:05 he does his jokes. I'm like, how did he do that?
01:14:06 --> 01:14:08 Totally. All the time. It's like watching a magician.
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10 Yep. You know, you're just like, how did he do
01:14:10 --> 01:14:11 that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Absolutely.
01:14:11 --> 01:14:14 It's like, will I ever be there? It's like, maybe,
01:14:14 --> 01:14:16 but probably not. But that's the beauty of it
01:14:16 --> 01:14:17 though. Right. That's the beauty of it. And you'll
01:14:17 --> 01:14:19 be, you'll do something in your own way where
01:14:19 --> 01:14:21 other people will be like, well, how do you do
01:14:21 --> 01:14:23 that? It's like, it's not going to be a replica
01:14:23 --> 01:14:25 of what Dave Patel is doing because that's what
01:14:25 --> 01:14:28 Dave Patel is so good at, you know? Yeah. But
01:14:28 --> 01:14:31 yeah, and it doesn't mean that like, you know,
01:14:31 --> 01:14:32 at least for me, like that one day it's like,
01:14:32 --> 01:14:35 yeah, that I... Of course, if I had millions
01:14:35 --> 01:14:37 of followers, like, I would enjoy it. But I'm
01:14:37 --> 01:14:40 only gonna get there if I'm building the things
01:14:40 --> 01:14:43 that I am organically, like, passionate about.
01:14:43 --> 01:14:46 And it's not me trying to strive for followers.
01:14:46 --> 01:14:49 It's me, like, putting out my work. And if it
01:14:49 --> 01:14:51 just, if it naturally happened, then I would
01:14:51 --> 01:14:53 be like, okay. But, like, I'm not, like, fishing
01:14:53 --> 01:14:58 for people. I'm, like, I'm showing what I like
01:14:58 --> 01:15:00 or showing what I do. And if they come along,
01:15:00 --> 01:15:02 then, like, that's great. But, um, I do have
01:15:02 --> 01:15:04 to be better about being online. I just fucking
01:15:04 --> 01:15:08 hate it so much. Um, but yeah, but yeah, I want
01:15:08 --> 01:15:11 to be a big headliner. I want to, I mean, I kind
01:15:11 --> 01:15:13 of want people, you know, whatever with Louis,
01:15:13 --> 01:15:16 but I kind of want Louis CK's career where it's
01:15:16 --> 01:15:19 like, you know, he's an amazing, um, standup
01:15:19 --> 01:15:22 comedian, award winning standup comedian, but
01:15:22 --> 01:15:25 then also had a series Louis, one of my favorite
01:15:25 --> 01:15:28 shows of all time. Um, I want to have like my
01:15:28 --> 01:15:30 own series that I write direct. I probably won't
01:15:30 --> 01:15:34 act in it. I've more so I don't necessarily love
01:15:34 --> 01:15:37 I don't really care about that maybe but whatever
01:15:37 --> 01:15:41 but um but I want to write direct edit it um
01:15:41 --> 01:15:44 and I want to produce for other people and direct
01:15:44 --> 01:15:49 for other artists too um yeah That right there,
01:15:49 --> 01:15:51 that dream or whatever, that's something similar
01:15:51 --> 01:15:55 that I would love to get into. I don't know how
01:15:55 --> 01:15:57 LA operates. I've never been there. I have done
01:15:57 --> 01:15:59 extra work and I've spoken about it before, just
01:15:59 --> 01:16:02 being extra in movies and seeing that process
01:16:02 --> 01:16:07 and in this one on a much, much more miniature
01:16:07 --> 01:16:13 scale. But I'm kind of like you. It's so weird
01:16:13 --> 01:16:15 and awkward to me putting myself in front of
01:16:15 --> 01:16:18 the camera. I know it's necessary because I want
01:16:18 --> 01:16:22 this to be a video podcast. But there's a big
01:16:22 --> 01:16:25 thing in me that was like, oh man, I had this
01:16:25 --> 01:16:28 little mascot that I made. I named him Boom and
01:16:28 --> 01:16:31 he's like this little guy right here. So I made
01:16:31 --> 01:16:35 that to be like. look at this, you know? Yeah.
01:16:35 --> 01:16:37 And then the research was sort of like, shit,
01:16:37 --> 01:16:38 unfortunately I have to get in front of the camera.
01:16:38 --> 01:16:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that kind of thing.
01:16:40 --> 01:16:43 But yeah, when you mentioned like, you know,
01:16:43 --> 01:16:45 when you mentioned Louis C .K. and he's another
01:16:45 --> 01:16:47 one, you know, he'll say things and I'm like,
01:16:47 --> 01:16:49 how the fuck did he do that? I know. Where did
01:16:49 --> 01:16:51 he come up with that? You know, it's really beautiful.
01:16:51 --> 01:16:53 He's a philosopher, yeah. Yeah, he is. He's so,
01:16:53 --> 01:16:56 he's a philosopher. He's so intelligent, you
01:16:56 --> 01:16:58 know, and. You know, you learn from them. You
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00 learn from people better than you. And since
01:17:00 --> 01:17:01 there's always going to be better than you, it's
01:17:01 --> 01:17:03 just like you said. It's like there's always
01:17:03 --> 01:17:06 going to be a practice and everything. But is
01:17:06 --> 01:17:08 there anything that you want to put out before,
01:17:08 --> 01:17:12 like a wrap up? No, I mean, you can follow me
01:17:12 --> 01:17:16 on Instagram or on YouTube. Start building that
01:17:16 --> 01:17:18 back up. It's just my name, Monterey, M -O -N
01:17:18 --> 01:17:22 -A -R -E -Y. You'll find me. But yeah, pretty
01:17:22 --> 01:17:26 much. Oh, yeah. Well, thank you so much. I really
01:17:26 --> 01:17:28 appreciate you doing this. I really enjoyed having
01:17:28 --> 01:17:31 you on. I learned a lot, and, you know, best
01:17:31 --> 01:17:34 of luck in your career. I hope that you go super,
01:17:34 --> 01:17:36 super, super far, like, because you're really,
01:17:36 --> 01:17:40 really funny. Aw, thanks. I appreciate you. And
01:17:40 --> 01:17:43 that's it. That's a wrap. Thank you. That's it.
01:17:51 --> 01:17:59 dharmadhira bhamanam dharmadhira bhamanam dharmadhira