Frank Caesar joins me on Only Bombs! for a conversation about roast battles, stand up comedy, the Austin comedy scene, and what happens when the momentum you’ve been building suddenly gets knocked off course.
This episode really became about three things: roast, reflect, and rebuild. We get into how Frank approaches roast battles, what actually goes into writing and preparing for them, his path into stand up, moving to Austin, and the competitive side of a comedy scene where everybody is trying to figure out how to make something happen.
Frank also opens up about a rough period in his comedy career, his perspective on the drama surrounding it, the decisions he would handle differently now, and what he learned about choosing where to put his time and energy. We talk about losing momentum, finding his way back, Roast Battle League, why roast battling feels almost like a sport, and what success actually looks like when being famous isn’t necessarily the goal.
A huge thank you to Frank for coming on the show and being willing to talk about all of it. The good, the bad, the funny, and the uncomfortable parts. I really appreciate the honesty, and I had a damn good time talking comedy with him.
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 Having a little bit more wisdom and discernment
00:00:02 --> 00:00:05 about what I invest my energy into I always try
00:00:05 --> 00:00:07 and think a couple steps ahead and like how would
00:00:07 --> 00:00:10 this look in a week and how would this look to
00:00:10 --> 00:00:13 people in this level of comedy or this level
00:00:13 --> 00:00:16 of my profession versus My level versus a level
00:00:16 --> 00:00:20 under like whatever it reinforced that and moving
00:00:20 --> 00:00:21 forward I'm definitely going to pay attention
00:00:21 --> 00:00:24 to what I put my time into people can go like
00:00:24 --> 00:00:29 30 years like being penniless and unknown and
00:00:29 --> 00:00:32 Yeah, maybe respected but like not like nobody
00:00:32 --> 00:00:33 knows you are not selling tickets and then out
00:00:33 --> 00:00:36 of nowhere you pop and especially with like how
00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 the internet is and how company is like anybody
00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 could really pop at any time Mm -hmm. So I'm
00:00:41 --> 00:00:44 like, I mean as long as I get to do comedy and
00:00:44 --> 00:00:47 I'm getting better That's what I'm that's really
00:00:47 --> 00:00:52 like the focus right now Yeah, and whatever happens
00:00:52 --> 00:00:54 happen like fame like what does fame look like
00:00:54 --> 00:00:56 to you like, you know, like all that kind of
00:00:56 --> 00:01:01 shit. I So I don't really give a shit about like
00:01:01 --> 00:01:05 being famous. Nice. Like, my dream fulfilled
00:01:05 --> 00:01:08 would be to be able to go to like whatever club,
00:01:09 --> 00:01:11 wherever in the country, not even internationally,
00:01:11 --> 00:01:14 and just make enough to pay my bills and to have
00:01:14 --> 00:01:16 the respect of my peers and send my kid to college.
00:01:16 --> 00:01:26 That's it. How's comedy been for you, man? How's
00:01:26 --> 00:01:29 everything been going? It's been a little back
00:01:29 --> 00:01:35 and forth Yeah I'm you know, like I feel like
00:01:35 --> 00:01:38 I'm probably my own biggest critic but I felt
00:01:38 --> 00:01:41 like I had a lot of momentum and then the big
00:01:41 --> 00:01:44 terrible thing happened and then fucking Just
00:01:44 --> 00:01:48 dropped but I'm doing fine. I guess I can't really
00:01:48 --> 00:01:50 complain. Yeah. Yeah, that's good You know, it
00:01:50 --> 00:01:52 seemed like you were you were going to the mothership
00:01:52 --> 00:01:54 and everything, right? Well, that was like after
00:01:54 --> 00:01:57 all that had happened it was I honestly don't
00:01:57 --> 00:02:01 even know what I'm allowed to say. Really? But
00:02:01 --> 00:02:04 the day that happened, the night before that
00:02:04 --> 00:02:07 had all happened, I had the worst roast battle
00:02:07 --> 00:02:10 I've ever had in my life. I bombed harder than
00:02:10 --> 00:02:14 I've ever bombed even doing standup. I was an
00:02:14 --> 00:02:16 out of body experience, I was watching myself
00:02:16 --> 00:02:18 in the crowd and just being like, dude, you're
00:02:18 --> 00:02:21 drowning up there. So it was the worst roast
00:02:21 --> 00:02:23 battle ever, which... was painful because I haven't
00:02:23 --> 00:02:26 had like a bad roast battle yet like that and
00:02:26 --> 00:02:31 then that happened the next day and then the
00:02:31 --> 00:02:33 day after that I had mothership roast battle
00:02:33 --> 00:02:36 and then the day after that I did the mothership
00:02:36 --> 00:02:40 thing the mic and then but you know it was yeah
00:02:40 --> 00:02:43 yeah so like I mean like I said I probably am
00:02:43 --> 00:02:47 fine but it just felt like It's getting back
00:02:47 --> 00:02:50 to more of like a normal spot now, kind of, but
00:02:50 --> 00:02:52 for a while it was just like, oh, I'm fucked.
00:02:52 --> 00:02:56 I'm gonna have to leave Austin. Wow, yeah. And
00:02:56 --> 00:02:59 so like, what made the, I guess like the bombing
00:02:59 --> 00:03:04 like so bad? Wow. Well, so like, I didn't really,
00:03:05 --> 00:03:07 I should have taken that battle way more seriously.
00:03:07 --> 00:03:09 I also went into it knowing, cause like Monford
00:03:09 --> 00:03:12 is a beast. Sure. Cause with Rose Battle, it's
00:03:12 --> 00:03:15 all about getting in your opponent's head. Almost.
00:03:15 --> 00:03:19 And being likable, getting in their head, and
00:03:19 --> 00:03:21 like, just... You can't get in Manfred's head.
00:03:21 --> 00:03:25 It's a steel trap. He doesn't seem like anybody
00:03:25 --> 00:03:27 who can get in his head. No, he's barely in his
00:03:27 --> 00:03:31 head, man. Like, it's... And then he's just so
00:03:31 --> 00:03:34 likable and so silly and so hard. Like I, if
00:03:34 --> 00:03:36 I wouldn't have had, cause I was writing for
00:03:36 --> 00:03:38 two battles that week. If I wouldn't have had
00:03:38 --> 00:03:41 the battle mothership, like two days after that,
00:03:41 --> 00:03:43 that I had to also write for, I probably would
00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 have taken it much more seriously. Not that I
00:03:46 --> 00:03:48 didn't take it seriously, but like I would have
00:03:48 --> 00:03:51 invested all my energy into that. And, um, but
00:03:51 --> 00:03:53 I mean, like I go into every battle, like I'm,
00:03:53 --> 00:03:55 oh, I'm going to lose. So, but yeah, I'm going
00:03:55 --> 00:03:58 to have fun. So you, so you go into it with a
00:03:58 --> 00:04:00 more like pessimistic sort of, not even pessimistic,
00:04:00 --> 00:04:04 just realistic. Cause basically. For the most
00:04:04 --> 00:04:05 part, there's been like one or two battles where
00:04:05 --> 00:04:10 I was like, oh, this is a layup. But like most
00:04:10 --> 00:04:15 battles, I go into it knowing like, all right,
00:04:15 --> 00:04:21 they're pretty competent and there's a good chance
00:04:21 --> 00:04:24 you'll lose. But I think that encourages me to
00:04:24 --> 00:04:28 kind of like work harder. But yeah, no. So that
00:04:28 --> 00:04:31 one I went in, I was like, even if I was like
00:04:31 --> 00:04:36 full Like invested into it. I was like I'm probably
00:04:36 --> 00:04:38 gonna lose it because I think I've only ever
00:04:38 --> 00:04:44 seen Monford or Munford my bad Lose like once
00:04:44 --> 00:04:46 in real life, and I'm sure he's lost more than
00:04:46 --> 00:04:50 that, but like he's he's crazy good Yeah, yeah,
00:04:51 --> 00:04:54 I've seen him a few times. I guess I at a you
00:04:54 --> 00:04:57 know, just at the creek a few times and You know,
00:04:57 --> 00:04:59 he's pretty funny, but how do you how do you
00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 prepare for your roast battles? And is there
00:05:02 --> 00:05:08 any kind of like like collaboration at all? It
00:05:08 --> 00:05:11 depends on the battle. So sometimes sometimes
00:05:11 --> 00:05:13 I battle people that everybody doesn't like.
00:05:13 --> 00:05:15 And then I get like a lot of outside help and
00:05:15 --> 00:05:17 I get a lot of people are more willing to like
00:05:17 --> 00:05:22 let me workshop with them. But it's usually pretty.
00:05:23 --> 00:05:26 Collaborative in the sense of. Like everybody's
00:05:26 --> 00:05:29 down to like, listen and give feedback. And then
00:05:29 --> 00:05:31 there's some roasts where they're like, you can
00:05:31 --> 00:05:33 tell like, oh, I wish I was roasting this person.
00:05:33 --> 00:05:37 Please say this because I hate them. So those
00:05:37 --> 00:05:40 are always also fun because, but like for me,
00:05:40 --> 00:05:41 like everybody I feel like does it a little bit
00:05:41 --> 00:05:46 differently. Um, like, like Lino, like some people
00:05:46 --> 00:05:49 write, like it's one, sorry. Some people write
00:05:49 --> 00:05:54 like, 50 jokes and then they have all this to
00:05:54 --> 00:05:58 choose from well for me. It's like I Write maybe
00:05:58 --> 00:06:01 like seven jokes that I really really like and
00:06:01 --> 00:06:03 then from there choose and then it's already
00:06:03 --> 00:06:09 just a hard enough time with that mmm But also
00:06:09 --> 00:06:11 every battle is different so like if I don't
00:06:11 --> 00:06:15 know somebody I'm going off of basically either
00:06:15 --> 00:06:19 what they look like or the information they give
00:06:19 --> 00:06:23 to me. So sometimes I'll have a lot. Sometimes
00:06:23 --> 00:06:25 I'll have like nothing until like I meet them
00:06:25 --> 00:06:30 in person. But, you know, it's just professional
00:06:30 --> 00:06:33 bigotry, which is really fun. Professional bigotry.
00:06:33 --> 00:06:35 That's all it is. Yeah. I've never heard that
00:06:35 --> 00:06:38 term, but that kind of makes sense in a way.
00:06:39 --> 00:06:44 Yeah. Yeah. I get to be like nothing is worse
00:06:44 --> 00:06:46 in roast battle than just going up against a
00:06:46 --> 00:06:49 white guy. Because, like, what do you have against
00:06:49 --> 00:06:53 them? It's like, oh, you're gay. But they're
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 not even gay. So it's like, oh, there's that
00:06:56 --> 00:06:58 suspense of disbelief in the crowd compared to,
00:06:59 --> 00:07:00 like, if you're going up against a white gay
00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 guy, oh, you have so much to work with. There's
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 some things that you're trying to, like, pick
00:07:04 --> 00:07:06 and find some. Nothing's worse than just, like,
00:07:06 --> 00:07:09 a boring person. Not that they're boring, but,
00:07:09 --> 00:07:12 like... It's like, oh, tell me about yourself.
00:07:12 --> 00:07:15 Who would you rather make fun of on the bus?
00:07:15 --> 00:07:19 It's like, oh, just this average white male or
00:07:19 --> 00:07:24 an overweight trans person. What do you have
00:07:24 --> 00:07:27 more material off rip with? Yeah, you're just
00:07:27 --> 00:07:29 looking for something. It's all just you're attacking
00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 character. It's middle school bullying, but with
00:07:32 --> 00:07:38 like real adult racism and super fun. I love
00:07:38 --> 00:07:41 that. It's super fun and super fun. But I totally
00:07:41 --> 00:07:43 get it, though, man. Has anybody ever sort of
00:07:43 --> 00:07:46 like crossed the line with you and like said
00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 something that you were like, oh, fuck, dude,
00:07:48 --> 00:07:51 that was low. That's a weird one. I don't really
00:07:51 --> 00:07:53 like believe in that in Roast Battle because
00:07:53 --> 00:07:57 it's a consensual Like thing it's like like it's
00:07:57 --> 00:08:00 like mutual combat in Texas if you get knocked
00:08:00 --> 00:08:03 the fuck out Mm -hmm, like if you get hit in
00:08:03 --> 00:08:06 the nuts like yeah, that was kind of lame, but
00:08:06 --> 00:08:11 you signed up for it Really the only time I have
00:08:11 --> 00:08:13 like even like kind of an inkling of an issue
00:08:13 --> 00:08:17 is when people like Get upset and then they're
00:08:17 --> 00:08:20 just being like weirdly like personal like I
00:08:20 --> 00:08:23 roasted And I won't even say he was upset, but
00:08:23 --> 00:08:26 I roasted this guy from New Orleans. And he's
00:08:26 --> 00:08:28 really funny. He's like a vet in New Orleans.
00:08:28 --> 00:08:31 He was undefeated until he met this fucking guy.
00:08:31 --> 00:08:34 But we were in Nashville for the super card,
00:08:34 --> 00:08:38 and he gave me fucking nothing on him. So I was
00:08:38 --> 00:08:40 just like, all right, well, I just have to be
00:08:40 --> 00:08:45 super racist. And he'd never been defeated, so
00:08:45 --> 00:08:47 you could tell he was kind of getting frustrated,
00:08:47 --> 00:08:51 but I... Buried him and then by the end of it
00:08:51 --> 00:08:52 because like the easiest thing for me is people
00:08:52 --> 00:08:56 like always just like oh You have a kid Mm -hmm
00:08:56 --> 00:08:58 near you live here, and she lives so like that
00:08:58 --> 00:09:01 I mean I get it and some of them are really really
00:09:01 --> 00:09:03 funny But he just got like to the point where
00:09:03 --> 00:09:07 he wasn't even being funny. He's like yeah he
00:09:07 --> 00:09:10 Look at us who would you guess is the deadbeat
00:09:10 --> 00:09:13 dad and like and like yeah? He doesn't have his
00:09:13 --> 00:09:15 kid probably like a touching situation. I'm like
00:09:15 --> 00:09:17 what are you talking about right now, dude you're
00:09:17 --> 00:09:19 Drowning right? It's not even like me getting
00:09:19 --> 00:09:21 mad at them It's just me like feeling bad that
00:09:21 --> 00:09:24 they're bombing so hard that they're like now.
00:09:24 --> 00:09:27 It's just like a custody battle like it's not
00:09:27 --> 00:09:31 even you're just Like I don't get it, but I don't
00:09:31 --> 00:09:34 I don't think there's any Any like lines that
00:09:34 --> 00:09:36 you really can't cross in Rose battle at least
00:09:36 --> 00:09:39 I guess the line is like is basically made by
00:09:39 --> 00:09:41 whether or not the Rosa they give you is funny,
00:09:41 --> 00:09:45 right? Yeah, but like even them like so Muhammad
00:09:45 --> 00:09:50 Like he opened up our roast by calling me a gook
00:09:50 --> 00:09:54 And then I told him afterwards I'm like you understand
00:09:54 --> 00:09:58 how unfair that is like I can't call you Your
00:09:58 --> 00:09:59 slur and he's like, no, dude, you should have
00:09:59 --> 00:10:02 they would have crushed bro. I'm like, I wish
00:10:02 --> 00:10:05 I would have fucking I'm sorry, I didn't mean
00:10:05 --> 00:10:10 to interrupt you I love mom and two. Oh my god.
00:10:10 --> 00:10:14 He's so funny dude. He's great. He's a He's our
00:10:14 --> 00:10:18 little token. Yeah Yeah, he's a character for
00:10:18 --> 00:10:21 sure man So like what do you do to prepare for
00:10:21 --> 00:10:23 these roasts? Like do you like kind of like look
00:10:23 --> 00:10:26 into their social medias or you know anything
00:10:26 --> 00:10:31 like that? It's different for everybody so like
00:10:31 --> 00:10:35 I'm trying to think of a roast that isn't like
00:10:35 --> 00:10:41 the Diva Cup one I Don't want to say the name
00:10:41 --> 00:10:45 Gotcha trying to keep my nose clean and I've
00:10:45 --> 00:10:50 just got unbanished. Like Dakota's. So Dakota
00:10:50 --> 00:10:53 and I already have like a friendship. And then
00:10:53 --> 00:10:55 also it's like, look at him. He's like Peter
00:10:55 --> 00:10:59 Pan. So it's like, there's just so much I could
00:10:59 --> 00:11:01 go off that I don't really have to go into like
00:11:01 --> 00:11:03 any of his personal stuff. But then there's like,
00:11:03 --> 00:11:08 like when I roasted Sean Zapp from LA, I didn't
00:11:08 --> 00:11:11 know anything about him other than he looked
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 crazy. Uh, and I don't like doing like you look
00:11:14 --> 00:11:16 likes too much because they're kind of drawn
00:11:16 --> 00:11:20 out. Sure. Um, so then I, when he finally messaged
00:11:20 --> 00:11:22 me and was like, here's all the info on me. And
00:11:22 --> 00:11:24 I was like, all right, there's like a well here
00:11:24 --> 00:11:29 I can pull from. Um, but yeah, no, it just depends.
00:11:29 --> 00:11:32 So like, if I have to deep dive on people, it
00:11:32 --> 00:11:35 gets weirdly personal, I feel like. So like I
00:11:35 --> 00:11:36 try to take the most surface level stuff. So
00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 it just seems more fun, but I can still be like
00:11:39 --> 00:11:44 mean. Like Avery Dower, he went on a podcast
00:11:44 --> 00:11:47 and said I said some of the most heinous shit,
00:11:47 --> 00:11:51 but it was well written at least. It was well
00:11:51 --> 00:11:55 written. Yeah, heinous shit. Yeah, it's weird
00:11:55 --> 00:11:56 going out of town, just people will be like,
00:11:56 --> 00:11:58 oh dude, you're the Diva Cup guy. And I'm like,
00:11:58 --> 00:12:01 I don't like that. I don't like that at all.
00:12:01 --> 00:12:02 They're like, no, Diva Cup full of poop's great.
00:12:04 --> 00:12:10 I'm sorry. Oh, dude. So why roasting, to begin
00:12:10 --> 00:12:13 with, and not your conventional open mics and
00:12:13 --> 00:12:17 all that shit? Why, right? Why? I wish. I fucking
00:12:17 --> 00:12:23 wish. Honestly, I love roast battle so much and
00:12:23 --> 00:12:25 everything. It's given me the opportunity to
00:12:25 --> 00:12:29 do. But it's annoying to not be able to just
00:12:29 --> 00:12:33 be a standup guy. Like because I love stand up
00:12:33 --> 00:12:35 way more than I love roast battle, but I think
00:12:35 --> 00:12:39 roast battle such like not not in the sense of
00:12:39 --> 00:12:43 like skill level but like Gatekeeping level just
00:12:43 --> 00:12:47 the bar of entry is much easier to clear and
00:12:47 --> 00:12:53 like anybody could do it really And it's popping
00:12:53 --> 00:12:55 off I think on Instagram really especially is
00:12:55 --> 00:12:58 what helps it out. Yeah, like roast contents
00:12:58 --> 00:13:01 really big on Instagram and comedy contents kind
00:13:01 --> 00:13:05 of getting like pushed out of like the algorithm,
00:13:05 --> 00:13:07 especially in like TikTok and stuff. So I think
00:13:07 --> 00:13:09 that's probably at least why I stick with Rose
00:13:09 --> 00:13:15 Battle for the clout. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
00:13:15 --> 00:13:16 probably not even answering your question. I'm
00:13:16 --> 00:13:18 so. No, no, it's good. It's good. Dude, I'm right
00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 there with you. Like when you say you're tired,
00:13:20 --> 00:13:23 I'm like, oh my gosh, like I basically work overnight.
00:13:23 --> 00:13:25 So like whenever I do these things, it's sort
00:13:25 --> 00:13:27 of like right before work. I'm always like a
00:13:27 --> 00:13:29 little like tired because I'm just waking up.
00:13:29 --> 00:13:32 But so I totally get it. But so like walking
00:13:32 --> 00:13:34 through like when the first time you ever went
00:13:34 --> 00:13:37 on a roast battle, like what's going on in your
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 mind? Well, the first time I went on a roast
00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 battle, it was I think I had it a lot easier
00:13:43 --> 00:13:48 because not only was it a layup, but I'd been
00:13:48 --> 00:13:51 like wanting to go on a roast battle for a while.
00:13:51 --> 00:13:54 And I didn't know like before I moved to Austin,
00:13:54 --> 00:13:57 I didn't even know like. Roast battle is the
00:13:57 --> 00:13:58 thing. I just thought it was like Comedy Central
00:13:58 --> 00:14:03 roast Excuse me Like the Friars Club roasts and
00:14:03 --> 00:14:05 things like that or just like Comedy Central
00:14:05 --> 00:14:09 presents roast of like like Justin Bieber like
00:14:09 --> 00:14:12 I went straight Dean Martin Yeah, I didn't even
00:14:12 --> 00:14:14 it was like when I first started stand -up I
00:14:14 --> 00:14:16 didn't know that it was something anybody could
00:14:16 --> 00:14:19 do like I straight up thought you had to be a
00:14:19 --> 00:14:21 famous actor who was funny, and then they let
00:14:21 --> 00:14:24 you just go on stage and talk. Got you. Then
00:14:24 --> 00:14:26 as I got older, I realized. But with Roast Battle,
00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 like I said, I didn't know what it was until
00:14:30 --> 00:14:32 I moved here, and I didn't know really how to
00:14:32 --> 00:14:36 roast until I moved here because of Bananaphone.
00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 It's so low pressure because you're just in the
00:14:40 --> 00:14:47 crowd. Yeah. The first Roast Battle though, It
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 was just it was I was very excited to finally
00:14:49 --> 00:14:51 be able to do it because Somebody else was running
00:14:51 --> 00:14:54 it before Ridley run ran it And I'd been trying
00:14:54 --> 00:14:56 to get on for like a year at that point and it
00:14:56 --> 00:14:59 was always like yeah We'll get you on and then
00:14:59 --> 00:15:00 they'd be like do you want to roast this guy?
00:15:00 --> 00:15:02 And then I'd say yes, and then they'd ghost me
00:15:02 --> 00:15:06 so mm -hmm Yeah, yeah, so it was kind of like
00:15:06 --> 00:15:08 it was something you had to like work towards
00:15:08 --> 00:15:11 so you like we're like straight up Yeah, like
00:15:11 --> 00:15:14 I want to I want to be like a roast comic. Yeah.
00:15:14 --> 00:15:19 Yeah, I was like like Because from banana phone
00:15:19 --> 00:15:21 like so when I moved here the first mic I did
00:15:21 --> 00:15:24 was banana phone Mm -hmm, and then it was like
00:15:24 --> 00:15:26 basically every Sunday That was how I started
00:15:26 --> 00:15:29 my week was going to banana phone and for like
00:15:29 --> 00:15:31 a year Nobody knew who I was until I started
00:15:31 --> 00:15:33 really hitting banana phone and that's when people
00:15:33 --> 00:15:35 were like, oh dude good shit last night like
00:15:35 --> 00:15:37 they started like knowing who are like knowing
00:15:37 --> 00:15:42 me and like saying hi to me and then like So
00:15:42 --> 00:15:44 I just felt like the natural next progression
00:15:44 --> 00:15:46 if I wanted to get like any footing in Austin
00:15:46 --> 00:15:49 as a comic was to do roast battle because I was
00:15:49 --> 00:15:52 like we'll already have like somewhat of a reputation
00:15:52 --> 00:15:55 for Doing okay at banana phone if I could do
00:15:55 --> 00:15:59 well at roast battle People like me and they
00:15:59 --> 00:16:02 don't like me, but they know me now. So yeah,
00:16:02 --> 00:16:05 yeah So banana phone was your first like open
00:16:05 --> 00:16:07 mic and everything Open mic here. Yeah here.
00:16:08 --> 00:16:10 Okay here. Yeah, I got off a train I showered
00:16:10 --> 00:16:12 and then we went to Creek in the cave and did
00:16:12 --> 00:16:14 banana Wow, because for a minute there I thought
00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 you were saying that was your first like open
00:16:16 --> 00:16:19 mic. I was like, holy no, dude. That's a crazy
00:16:19 --> 00:16:22 one That's almost worse than doing kill Tony
00:16:22 --> 00:16:26 as your first time for comedy Yeah, pretty watch
00:16:26 --> 00:16:28 man because nobody at the time saw it. So it
00:16:28 --> 00:16:32 was like anything could be said They still do
00:16:32 --> 00:16:35 these, but they were saying crazy shit. So like,
00:16:35 --> 00:16:38 it's like, ugh. I couldn't imagine that being
00:16:38 --> 00:16:40 my first time doing stand up. I would kill myself.
00:16:40 --> 00:16:42 They had a guy I saw at the creek, and he told
00:16:42 --> 00:16:44 me that, you know, he's always wanting to get
00:16:44 --> 00:16:46 up on stage and everything. And I was just fucking
00:16:46 --> 00:16:47 around with him. And I told him, I was like,
00:16:48 --> 00:16:49 there's this great open mic tonight. It's called
00:16:49 --> 00:16:52 Banana Phone. All you got to do is sign up. They're
00:16:52 --> 00:16:55 very gentle, very sweet. Just go ahead and get
00:16:55 --> 00:16:59 on there. And he's dead now. As soon as he walks
00:16:59 --> 00:17:04 on one stage, you just get sniped. I don't know
00:17:04 --> 00:17:08 if he did it, but I've seen him around and he's
00:17:08 --> 00:17:11 good. So where did you get your actual official
00:17:11 --> 00:17:16 start, like open mic and comedy? Peoria at the
00:17:16 --> 00:17:19 Jukebox in Illinois, which was nice because it's
00:17:19 --> 00:17:24 five minutes, show up, go up, and everybody there.
00:17:25 --> 00:17:29 at least at the mics was marginally not great.
00:17:30 --> 00:17:32 So I saw it and I was super nervous when I got
00:17:32 --> 00:17:35 there. I was like, oh, I could be this bad. Totally.
00:17:35 --> 00:17:39 I'll be fine. Right. And then I was better. No,
00:17:39 --> 00:17:42 but no, no. It's a small scene. It was a small
00:17:42 --> 00:17:45 scene, but it's also like a really it's. There's
00:17:45 --> 00:17:47 like a weird appreciation for comedy within the
00:17:47 --> 00:17:50 scene because like Pryor started in Peoria. He's
00:17:50 --> 00:17:54 from Peoria. Kennison from East Peoria. Um, and
00:17:54 --> 00:17:56 there's just nothing to do out there. So like,
00:17:56 --> 00:17:58 if there's anything fun to do, people like kind
00:17:58 --> 00:18:02 of flock to it. Um, so I just started twice a
00:18:02 --> 00:18:05 week doing basically like 10 minutes a week going
00:18:05 --> 00:18:11 to the two open mics. And, uh, I, uh, yeah, it
00:18:11 --> 00:18:16 was, it was grassroots. I'd go do comedy and
00:18:16 --> 00:18:19 do drugs in the parking lot. What's Peoria like?
00:18:19 --> 00:18:25 I've never been there, you know. Oh. Well, so
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 like Illinois, everybody knows Chicago. Sure.
00:18:28 --> 00:18:30 Yeah. And some people know Springfield because
00:18:30 --> 00:18:32 it's the capital. Peoria is in the middle. Peoria
00:18:32 --> 00:18:36 is like Chicago, but sad. OK. Is that where you're
00:18:36 --> 00:18:39 from? I'm from Chicago, but I moved to Peoria
00:18:39 --> 00:18:42 like... a couple years before I started comedy.
00:18:42 --> 00:18:48 Oh, okay. And, yeah, no, Peoria is basically
00:18:48 --> 00:18:51 like all the losers from Chicago, all the people
00:18:51 --> 00:18:53 that are like, oh, I wish I was in a gang, but
00:18:53 --> 00:18:57 nobody likes me, like that. They move down to
00:18:57 --> 00:19:00 Peoria and they shoot each other, and that's
00:19:00 --> 00:19:04 what Peoria is, and like literally it's, I have
00:19:04 --> 00:19:06 a love -hate... Relationship with Peoria because
00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 there's so so many nice people and there's really
00:19:08 --> 00:19:11 cool stuff there But it's it's like a lot of
00:19:11 --> 00:19:13 losers from Chicago that come down and try and
00:19:13 --> 00:19:16 like yeah run shit, bro And then they ruin the
00:19:16 --> 00:19:19 seat like literally everybody in Peoria works
00:19:19 --> 00:19:22 hard as fuck all week a terrible Backbreaking
00:19:22 --> 00:19:26 jobs just to go to Main Street and get drunk
00:19:26 --> 00:19:29 on the weekends and like that's that's all they
00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 have to live for it's really it's really sad
00:19:31 --> 00:19:33 Yeah, people are gonna like that. I said that
00:19:33 --> 00:19:36 but that's it's true There's nothing really going
00:19:36 --> 00:19:38 on there anymore, which is sad because it used
00:19:38 --> 00:19:41 to be such a industrious town They used to have
00:19:41 --> 00:19:43 more theater seats than New York because that's
00:19:43 --> 00:19:44 where they're saying if it plays in Peoria comes
00:19:44 --> 00:19:47 from like They don't test shit in Peoria like
00:19:47 --> 00:19:53 for like theater stuff But yeah, no, it was also
00:19:53 --> 00:19:56 nice because it's kind of like Austin like it's
00:19:56 --> 00:19:57 right in the middle of Texas So you're two hours
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 away from Dallas three hours away from Houston
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 four from Corpus five from Mexico Like it's it
00:20:03 --> 00:20:05 was like that where it was like, oh, it's only
00:20:05 --> 00:20:08 like a two and a half hour drive One and a half
00:20:08 --> 00:20:10 hour drive in most directions and you can be
00:20:10 --> 00:20:16 in Chicago, Iowa St. Louis Springfield, whatever
00:20:16 --> 00:20:18 so it was just like a very nice spot to start
00:20:18 --> 00:20:21 because the bar was so like low pressure wise
00:20:21 --> 00:20:24 and the community was for the most part very
00:20:24 --> 00:20:28 nice and like it that People were hungry for
00:20:28 --> 00:20:31 something. Yeah, super fun. I kind of sounds
00:20:31 --> 00:20:35 like a New Orleans, you know, cuz uh You mentioned
00:20:35 --> 00:20:37 a second ago about how people work hard and then
00:20:37 --> 00:20:40 get off and go drink and shit like that. That's
00:20:40 --> 00:20:42 what it was like growing up in New Orleans. It
00:20:42 --> 00:20:44 was just like, essentially that's where you're
00:20:44 --> 00:20:47 headed is the bar. Yeah, it's just New Orleans
00:20:47 --> 00:20:52 without the one fun thing every year. The one
00:20:52 --> 00:20:55 fun thing every year there is you get... blizzarded
00:20:55 --> 00:20:58 in with some chick you've just started talking
00:20:58 --> 00:21:00 to and you get to bang it out for like five days.
00:21:00 --> 00:21:05 That's it. That was my Mardi Gras. These snow
00:21:05 --> 00:21:10 capped mountains. That's crazy as your Mardi
00:21:10 --> 00:21:14 Gras dude. I experienced like snow. for the first
00:21:14 --> 00:21:17 time, like heavy snow in Virginia. Yeah. And
00:21:17 --> 00:21:19 now, you know, being from New Orleans, it's like,
00:21:19 --> 00:21:21 you know, yeah, we didn't fucking we saw snow
00:21:21 --> 00:21:24 for like an hour, maybe like every other year,
00:21:24 --> 00:21:27 you know, so that is pretty fucking crazy. But
00:21:27 --> 00:21:30 like, but what prompted you to even like start
00:21:30 --> 00:21:33 comedy to begin with? Well, I mean, like, I always
00:21:33 --> 00:21:36 liked comedy. And my my family was very much
00:21:36 --> 00:21:39 if we were all together now, it was just like
00:21:39 --> 00:21:44 my crazy, lovely mother. Um, it was like, oh,
00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 if it's funny, it's okay. So I get away with
00:21:46 --> 00:21:48 a lot of shit and my uncles were always really
00:21:48 --> 00:21:50 funny and they loved making people laugh. I was
00:21:50 --> 00:21:53 always around that. And then I grew up, uh, we
00:21:53 --> 00:21:55 had cable still and they had the premium channels.
00:21:55 --> 00:21:58 So I'd get to watch like premium blend and like,
00:21:58 --> 00:22:01 uh, the comedy central roasts. And then like,
00:22:01 --> 00:22:04 I remember, like, the first time I saw a Jessalynx
00:22:04 --> 00:22:06 special, I, like, wrote all the jokes down in,
00:22:06 --> 00:22:08 like, a notebook to tell to people later, because
00:22:08 --> 00:22:11 it was so funny. And my mom found it, and she
00:22:11 --> 00:22:13 thought I wrote it, and I was like, no, no, no,
00:22:13 --> 00:22:18 I didn't rape anybody. But so, like, I grew up
00:22:18 --> 00:22:22 just heavy on comedy. I think the first real
00:22:22 --> 00:22:26 special I saw... was like, I had, I have black
00:22:26 --> 00:22:28 friends. I had a black friend that grew up across
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 the street from me and he came over for a sleepover
00:22:30 --> 00:22:35 and he had like a burned copy of Kevin Hart's,
00:22:35 --> 00:22:37 it was Laugh In My Pain, which was like his best
00:22:37 --> 00:22:39 special. Oh, it was a great special. Yeah. And
00:22:39 --> 00:22:42 we were, I had never laughed until that point
00:22:42 --> 00:22:44 so hard that I cried. And then just from there,
00:22:45 --> 00:22:48 it was like a snowball. And then I never really,
00:22:48 --> 00:22:49 like I said, I didn't know you could just do
00:22:49 --> 00:22:53 comedy. Sure. Yeah. Cause like, Kevin Hart Daniel
00:22:53 --> 00:22:55 Tosh even Anthony Jeslin think they were all
00:22:55 --> 00:22:58 like either on TV or like in movies So I was
00:22:58 --> 00:22:59 like, oh you have to like get on TV or being
00:22:59 --> 00:23:01 a movie to do to just talk to people and then
00:23:01 --> 00:23:06 listen so I was so I started doing like theater
00:23:06 --> 00:23:09 and like music getting comfortable on stage doing
00:23:09 --> 00:23:12 that and then During the pandemic when everybody
00:23:12 --> 00:23:16 was fucking dying. I was like, well I better
00:23:16 --> 00:23:21 See about trying Yeah and I hit up the club and
00:23:21 --> 00:23:23 they're like, yeah, we got open mics. We're not
00:23:23 --> 00:23:25 supposed to be open, but we're open. Yeah, we
00:23:25 --> 00:23:28 never stop. That's it. Yeah, no. I mean, they
00:23:28 --> 00:23:31 stopped for a little bit. The owner was crazy.
00:23:31 --> 00:23:33 He's sick. The best person in the world. He's
00:23:33 --> 00:23:40 insane. But you know, so 2021, I went and did
00:23:40 --> 00:23:42 my first open mic. But that was also after just
00:23:42 --> 00:23:47 years of like doing like plays and musicals and
00:23:47 --> 00:23:53 choir and band. Being in bands, so Like I always
00:23:53 --> 00:23:56 gravitated towards stage and always wanted to
00:23:56 --> 00:23:59 do music But as soon as I found comedy like I
00:23:59 --> 00:24:02 was in a punk band Before I started comedy and
00:24:02 --> 00:24:04 when I first started comedy and the first mic
00:24:04 --> 00:24:07 I did after that I never went to another practice
00:24:07 --> 00:24:11 again. Oh like I was like you guys well just
00:24:11 --> 00:24:13 cuz in music There's so many like divas there's
00:24:13 --> 00:24:15 it's like that's like the big there's divas in
00:24:15 --> 00:24:17 comedy But you don't have to deal with that when
00:24:17 --> 00:24:20 you're doing it When you're on stage, you're
00:24:20 --> 00:24:22 on stage. It's you and the crowd and the mic.
00:24:23 --> 00:24:27 That's it. Um, like the first band I was in,
00:24:27 --> 00:24:31 I was a senior in high school and I answered
00:24:31 --> 00:24:34 a Craigslist ad for a guitarist. And it was a
00:24:34 --> 00:24:37 bunch of like 27 year olds, like in Peoria that
00:24:37 --> 00:24:41 needed a guitarist. And, um, like I was just
00:24:41 --> 00:24:46 17 with these 27 year olds who, I mean, for the
00:24:46 --> 00:24:48 most part, like in terms of the music industry,
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 didn't have anything going on for them. They're
00:24:51 --> 00:24:53 all super like, devious. If I tried to like,
00:24:53 --> 00:24:57 I was a theater kid, so like I knew like, like
00:24:57 --> 00:24:58 I would try and tell the vocalist, I was like,
00:24:58 --> 00:25:00 you should really like support, use your diaphragm,
00:25:00 --> 00:25:02 support your breath, it'll be easier for you,
00:25:02 --> 00:25:04 you won't ruin your voice. And he would just
00:25:04 --> 00:25:08 get mad and like, so like, you can't like, musicians
00:25:08 --> 00:25:11 take constructive criticism so terribly. They
00:25:11 --> 00:25:15 really do. I grew up on that and then they ended
00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 up kicking me out of the band after I turned
00:25:18 --> 00:25:22 18. And they took basically like a bunch of music
00:25:22 --> 00:25:25 I had wrote and recorded an album, but they did
00:25:25 --> 00:25:28 it terribly because I wasn't there. So that was
00:25:28 --> 00:25:30 my first experience with the band. And then I
00:25:30 --> 00:25:32 joined another band and then I started comedy
00:25:32 --> 00:25:35 and it was just so much easier to deal with.
00:25:35 --> 00:25:36 You don't have to worry about not even like the
00:25:36 --> 00:25:38 diva side because there's really cool people
00:25:38 --> 00:25:41 in the music scene everywhere. But scheduling
00:25:41 --> 00:25:44 is also a huge issue, because getting yourself
00:25:44 --> 00:25:47 to an open mic is much more doable than getting
00:25:47 --> 00:25:52 five people into somebody's basement. Yeah, the
00:25:52 --> 00:25:54 collaboration between everybody would be a pain
00:25:54 --> 00:25:58 in the ass. I was in a few bands myself, and
00:25:58 --> 00:26:01 I did the whole Craigslist thing before, where
00:26:01 --> 00:26:04 I answered an ad and went out, and dude, that
00:26:04 --> 00:26:07 was insane, dude. And it's terrifying. It is
00:26:07 --> 00:26:08 terrifying. It's terrifying, because you don't
00:26:08 --> 00:26:10 know who's showing up. And then you're like,
00:26:10 --> 00:26:12 oh, this should just be like a 50 year old with
00:26:12 --> 00:26:15 like a gun. Right. You know, dude, I don't know
00:26:15 --> 00:26:18 why that never like dawned upon me to ever just
00:26:18 --> 00:26:21 like be like, hey, is this smart? Probably not.
00:26:21 --> 00:26:23 You know, like it never fucking dawn upon me.
00:26:24 --> 00:26:25 I was just like, all right, dude, I hope I impressed
00:26:25 --> 00:26:28 them. I want to get in on this. I met up with
00:26:28 --> 00:26:29 like you said a 50 year old that's so fucking
00:26:29 --> 00:26:31 funny because there was this dude who was like
00:26:31 --> 00:26:34 who's in his 60s. He played bass. He had this
00:26:34 --> 00:26:38 he was dressed like metal head. Right. This thinning
00:26:38 --> 00:26:41 out black hair with the headband going on, all
00:26:41 --> 00:26:44 the fucking rings, the shirt like open only at
00:26:44 --> 00:26:46 his belly button. Like, you know, Nick Mars bar.
00:26:47 --> 00:26:49 Like basically that, dude. And I was like, what's
00:26:49 --> 00:26:51 your name? And he gave me his I guess it has
00:26:51 --> 00:26:54 to be a stage name. His name was Jethro Jethro
00:26:54 --> 00:26:58 Jethro, like Jethro Tull, I guess. But he was
00:26:58 --> 00:27:00 like, like just, you know, he's a bassist. And
00:27:00 --> 00:27:04 then he had a 17 or like 16 year old guitarist.
00:27:04 --> 00:27:07 and they wanted a vocalist, and so I was like,
00:27:07 --> 00:27:11 okay, well, where's the mic? And they were like,
00:27:11 --> 00:27:14 we don't have one, so you just gotta show us
00:27:14 --> 00:27:18 your chops. I was like, the fuck are you talking
00:27:18 --> 00:27:21 about? There's amps, there's drums, like what
00:27:21 --> 00:27:25 am I? You're just yelling. So the moral of the
00:27:25 --> 00:27:29 story clearly is, if you like young boys, never
00:27:29 --> 00:27:33 go to Walmart, it's a trap. Go on Craigslist
00:27:33 --> 00:27:37 and start a bank. Yeah, go on Craigslist. Don't
00:27:37 --> 00:27:40 go to H -E -B, it's a trap! It's a trap! You
00:27:40 --> 00:27:43 will get your ass beat by, like, 40 -year -old
00:27:43 --> 00:27:46 men. They hit you with the bags, like, you're
00:27:46 --> 00:27:47 just like, yeah, we're gonna fucking pay for
00:27:47 --> 00:27:52 this! Or, like, you'll get hit by a scooter,
00:27:52 --> 00:27:54 like, man. When I walked down to H -E -B before,
00:27:54 --> 00:27:56 dude, I almost got hit by, like, several fucking
00:27:56 --> 00:27:58 scooters and shit. I went to H -E -B before I
00:27:58 --> 00:28:00 came here to check the Pokemon fucking vending
00:28:00 --> 00:28:03 machine. The Pokemon vending machine? Yeah, just
00:28:03 --> 00:28:06 got into it, man. Pokemon's awesome. I thought
00:28:06 --> 00:28:07 you were going to say, I just got into vending
00:28:07 --> 00:28:09 machines. No, I just got into vending machines.
00:28:09 --> 00:28:12 I've been into vending machines, man. It's a
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 problem. Same. But, you know, I'm just there
00:28:15 --> 00:28:17 and it's just always a hodgepodge of, like, the
00:28:17 --> 00:28:21 worst people in America. Not because they're
00:28:21 --> 00:28:22 Mexican. There's a lot of Mexicans on my AGV.
00:28:22 --> 00:28:25 That's not why. They're just... Yeah. They're
00:28:25 --> 00:28:27 just really... It's a sad place sometimes. In
00:28:27 --> 00:28:30 this particular neighborhood, there's a ton of
00:28:30 --> 00:28:34 Mexicans and... They have this one guy who like
00:28:34 --> 00:28:36 he was always waving and my girlfriend was constantly
00:28:36 --> 00:28:38 like, oh my gosh, I love that guy. He's like
00:28:38 --> 00:28:41 the friendliest guy in the world. He's always
00:28:41 --> 00:28:43 waving. And I'm like, babe, he's trying to get
00:28:43 --> 00:28:47 a job. He's not waving like to say hi. He's trying
00:28:47 --> 00:28:51 to be one guy to be a nice guy. And then the
00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 whole ice thing happened, dude. And they all
00:28:53 --> 00:28:56 disappeared. I was like, oh, no, I was like,
00:28:56 --> 00:28:59 oh, damn. I was like, maybe he was a nice guy
00:28:59 --> 00:29:02 and maybe I'm just tarnished. It's hard to be
00:29:02 --> 00:29:05 American and talk about ice because on one end
00:29:05 --> 00:29:06 you're like, oh, this is terrible. But on the
00:29:06 --> 00:29:10 other, you're like. Well, I don't have to worry
00:29:10 --> 00:29:13 about that. You're like, what about us, though?
00:29:13 --> 00:29:16 Like, didn't we do the same thing? I don't know.
00:29:17 --> 00:29:19 But like, I'm not really like a political dude.
00:29:19 --> 00:29:21 Like when the Queen died, like I thought it was
00:29:21 --> 00:29:26 ours. Nice. I was like, I really don't know much
00:29:26 --> 00:29:29 about politics. But do you like how long you've
00:29:29 --> 00:29:32 been in Austin? Uh, so January will be three
00:29:32 --> 00:29:37 years. I moved here January 20th, 24. Oh, okay.
00:29:37 --> 00:29:40 Um, so like right at the end of that, like boom,
00:29:41 --> 00:29:44 that happened. Yeah. So like after I'd moved
00:29:44 --> 00:29:47 for like six months, it was still like a hundred
00:29:47 --> 00:29:49 people would move here every three months and
00:29:49 --> 00:29:50 then a hundred people would leave when they got
00:29:50 --> 00:29:52 here. Yeah. And now it's kind of slowed down
00:29:52 --> 00:29:56 to like maybe 50 people every three months or
00:29:56 --> 00:29:59 maybe even less, honestly. And then like people
00:29:59 --> 00:30:03 are They're getting the fuck out of now. Yeah,
00:30:03 --> 00:30:06 why do you think? Just the boom's over. I think
00:30:06 --> 00:30:08 people, especially once they get here after a
00:30:08 --> 00:30:10 while, realize, oh, I'm not gonna get famous
00:30:10 --> 00:30:13 on Kill Tony, I guess. No. They're just like,
00:30:13 --> 00:30:16 well, there goes my dream. I'm gonna go back
00:30:16 --> 00:30:19 and work at a factory or be the king of the open
00:30:19 --> 00:30:23 mics in Tulsa. or something. I was like, it's
00:30:23 --> 00:30:26 it's it's OK. A lot of people move here and they're
00:30:26 --> 00:30:29 not realistic. And I think that's a big reason
00:30:29 --> 00:30:31 why people leave. Also, it's just so competitive.
00:30:31 --> 00:30:34 It is very I didn't realize it was cutthroat
00:30:34 --> 00:30:36 until all this stuff that had recently happened
00:30:36 --> 00:30:38 happened. But I knew it was very competitive.
00:30:38 --> 00:30:42 But I like that. So I enjoy it here. Is that
00:30:42 --> 00:30:44 is that something that you want to get into or
00:30:44 --> 00:30:47 you just sort of like, you know, the whole. Thing
00:30:47 --> 00:30:49 that happened or is that like something you want
00:30:49 --> 00:30:51 to kind of i'm down to get into it I just don't
00:30:51 --> 00:30:53 want to get in trouble. So I will be doing a
00:30:53 --> 00:30:57 lot of vaguisms. Um, i'll be doing a lot of uh
00:30:57 --> 00:31:02 the pronoun game of uh thems, uh Like not they
00:31:02 --> 00:31:05 thems but like not naming names. Um, but like
00:31:05 --> 00:31:08 yeah, no I didn't realize until that had happened
00:31:08 --> 00:31:13 just how fucking Hungry some people are to get
00:31:13 --> 00:31:16 like any any kind of attention or traction here
00:31:16 --> 00:31:20 Mm -hmm And I mean it kind of backfired because
00:31:20 --> 00:31:24 it helped me I feel like way more but Like I
00:31:24 --> 00:31:26 mean you move here and it's such a saturated
00:31:26 --> 00:31:28 scene, right? So everybody's trying to do the
00:31:28 --> 00:31:31 one thing that'll help them stand out and I think
00:31:31 --> 00:31:37 over the last year And it's I feel like partially
00:31:37 --> 00:31:41 responsible for it but like the the like the
00:31:41 --> 00:31:45 big thing now is like oh Drama moves shit drama
00:31:45 --> 00:31:48 can like be entertaining and just the problem
00:31:48 --> 00:31:51 is people are fucking stupid And they don't understand
00:31:51 --> 00:31:56 like oh, it's not fun to deal with and you can't
00:31:56 --> 00:32:00 just go crazy Yeah, like you can't you can't
00:32:00 --> 00:32:02 make AI videos of you shooting people and be
00:32:02 --> 00:32:06 like, oh just just fun drum, man But like you
00:32:06 --> 00:32:09 know that that whole thing was fucking Annoying
00:32:09 --> 00:32:11 and I was very very depressed. I was doing so
00:32:11 --> 00:32:15 much cocaine The snow -capped mountains as it
00:32:15 --> 00:32:18 were. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was I was not handling
00:32:18 --> 00:32:21 that well So I guess from like so for people
00:32:21 --> 00:32:24 who really don't like know what you're talking
00:32:24 --> 00:32:26 about Like what's like your sort of perspective
00:32:26 --> 00:32:32 on everything? Well, first and foremost, I don't
00:32:32 --> 00:32:37 think I was like in the right However, what I
00:32:37 --> 00:32:40 will say is while I never Very rarely was doing
00:32:40 --> 00:32:43 the smart thing and that whole kind of mess that
00:32:43 --> 00:32:45 was going on I don't feel like I ever did the
00:32:45 --> 00:32:49 wrong thing and I know that's that's weird to
00:32:49 --> 00:32:55 say but like It was so stupid Especially looking
00:32:55 --> 00:33:00 back on it because it's like who the fuck cares
00:33:00 --> 00:33:05 about some of these people but also it's like
00:33:05 --> 00:33:10 when I get like Angry about something I will
00:33:10 --> 00:33:15 become super petty about it and I know that and
00:33:15 --> 00:33:17 I I understand when a business has to make a
00:33:17 --> 00:33:19 decision especially with what everything going
00:33:19 --> 00:33:22 on with other comics in the scene and what they
00:33:22 --> 00:33:25 were doing I understand why action was taken
00:33:25 --> 00:33:27 the way was done and that's why I respected it
00:33:27 --> 00:33:29 and that's why I didn't like go off the deep
00:33:29 --> 00:33:32 end and start posting a bunch of crazy shit and
00:33:32 --> 00:33:37 like, like some people and, and, uh, like, I
00:33:37 --> 00:33:38 understand why what happened happened, but it
00:33:38 --> 00:33:42 was just, it was at least in my opinion, and
00:33:42 --> 00:33:44 a lot of the people that have talked to me when
00:33:44 --> 00:33:47 it was happening and since then, it just seemed
00:33:47 --> 00:33:51 really kind of unfair, even though it was understandable,
00:33:51 --> 00:33:56 if that makes sense. Um, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
00:33:56 --> 00:33:59 like, um, so basically how did this whole thing
00:33:59 --> 00:34:02 like start to begin with? Really, it had nothing
00:34:02 --> 00:34:09 to do with her. The woman I roasted. It had nothing
00:34:09 --> 00:34:13 to do with her. There's a comic in the scene.
00:34:13 --> 00:34:15 He's very, very nice. I've never had a bad interaction
00:34:15 --> 00:34:17 with him. And I always start off anything I say
00:34:17 --> 00:34:20 about him with that. He's a very nice guy. But
00:34:20 --> 00:34:26 he's known fairly well and is kind of, for the
00:34:26 --> 00:34:29 most part, Not liked that much in the comedy
00:34:29 --> 00:34:32 community because of this but he he's known for
00:34:32 --> 00:34:34 essentially like kind of ripping off another
00:34:34 --> 00:34:38 comics act and he's made money off of it and
00:34:38 --> 00:34:41 the comic in question has had family reach out
00:34:41 --> 00:34:45 to him telling him to stop like and For the most
00:34:45 --> 00:34:47 part. I just kind of like well, this isn't gonna
00:34:47 --> 00:34:51 handle itself because fame and infamy, they start
00:34:51 --> 00:34:53 exactly the same way. You just get a bunch of
00:34:53 --> 00:34:54 attention. You don't know how it's gonna end
00:34:54 --> 00:34:57 up until way down the line. So I was like, this
00:34:57 --> 00:34:59 will balance itself out. People who give a fuck
00:34:59 --> 00:35:02 about comedy, this isn't gonna like age well.
00:35:03 --> 00:35:08 And then I saw a podcast of him with Rick Diaz,
00:35:08 --> 00:35:11 and he compared himself to the Beatles of comedy.
00:35:11 --> 00:35:14 And I love the Beatles, but I also love Mitch
00:35:14 --> 00:35:17 Hedberg. And that was just such like a cosmic
00:35:17 --> 00:35:20 crime to me that I was like, I'm going to say
00:35:20 --> 00:35:22 something, but I didn't want to go online and
00:35:22 --> 00:35:25 like bitch about it and make some video and attack
00:35:25 --> 00:35:29 him. So I went to, I did a character of him.
00:35:29 --> 00:35:31 I took it out. I did it on stage, which I think
00:35:31 --> 00:35:32 is what you're supposed to do as a comic. You're
00:35:32 --> 00:35:34 supposed to take stuff and put it on stage and
00:35:34 --> 00:35:36 make it funny. So I did a character of him at
00:35:36 --> 00:35:40 banana phone and it crushed this girl. Apparently
00:35:40 --> 00:35:43 is very good friends with him. And I didn't know
00:35:43 --> 00:35:44 that because her and I were friends for like
00:35:44 --> 00:35:48 two years. But she did not like that. And once
00:35:48 --> 00:35:51 the videos got posted of it, she got very upset
00:35:51 --> 00:35:54 and started attacking me, which is fine. And
00:35:54 --> 00:35:57 then she started attacking comics that were my
00:35:57 --> 00:35:58 friends. And that's when I was like, all right,
00:35:59 --> 00:36:02 this is ridiculous. So I did a character of her
00:36:02 --> 00:36:07 and that character did very, very well. And she
00:36:07 --> 00:36:11 didn't like that, which I understand. But I mean,
00:36:11 --> 00:36:13 for both the characters I did, for him and her,
00:36:14 --> 00:36:16 it wasn't me saying anything bad about them.
00:36:16 --> 00:36:19 It was just me looking at how they were behaving
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21 and then holding up a mirror to it and just doing
00:36:21 --> 00:36:23 what they were doing, because it was funny. It
00:36:23 --> 00:36:27 was cringy and it was funny. But that snowballed
00:36:27 --> 00:36:30 it even more. And at this point, I don't know
00:36:30 --> 00:36:32 what's going on behind the scenes, but behind
00:36:32 --> 00:36:36 the scenes, she starts trying to, like, organize
00:36:36 --> 00:36:39 against me, I guess. And then it... starts to
00:36:39 --> 00:36:41 culminate to the point where another comic who
00:36:41 --> 00:36:44 he's a bigger comic in the scene He reaches out
00:36:44 --> 00:36:46 to me. He's like, hey, just so you know This
00:36:46 --> 00:36:49 person is reaching out to comics from out of
00:36:49 --> 00:36:51 town and all the female comics in the scene to
00:36:51 --> 00:36:53 try and start like a hate campaign against you
00:36:53 --> 00:36:55 she's trying to say like you're a creepy rapist
00:36:55 --> 00:36:59 or something and so I responded to that and I
00:36:59 --> 00:37:02 challenged her to a roast battle and she accepted
00:37:02 --> 00:37:07 and She lost and I thought it was done And it
00:37:07 --> 00:37:08 seemed like it was done because after this, she's
00:37:08 --> 00:37:10 like, oh, we should collaborate. We can make
00:37:10 --> 00:37:12 fake drama. We can we can really sell this again
00:37:12 --> 00:37:15 because the drama surrounding all of it had gotten
00:37:15 --> 00:37:17 to such like a boiling point. And it was like
00:37:17 --> 00:37:20 a catharsis for the whole scene. It felt like
00:37:20 --> 00:37:22 because everybody as soon as they said, we have
00:37:22 --> 00:37:25 a Wajian roasting a trans woman, Creek exploded
00:37:25 --> 00:37:30 like it was one of the craziest things I've seen
00:37:30 --> 00:37:32 at Creek. I'm not just saying that because I
00:37:32 --> 00:37:34 was a part of it was just like the energy in
00:37:34 --> 00:37:38 that room was so electric and crazy because they
00:37:38 --> 00:37:41 wanted this to happen so bad and it happened
00:37:41 --> 00:37:43 at a perfect at a perfect time and it was this
00:37:43 --> 00:37:46 weird perfect storm of like Me and her going
00:37:46 --> 00:37:49 back and forth and then how she was treating
00:37:49 --> 00:37:52 other people and how I was treating other people
00:37:52 --> 00:37:56 Because you know your reputation is kind of everything
00:37:56 --> 00:37:58 So like it was at a point where she was kind
00:37:58 --> 00:38:00 of like burning a few bridges and people were
00:38:00 --> 00:38:02 kind of getting tired of it and I was like kind
00:38:02 --> 00:38:04 of capitalizing on that even though it didn't
00:38:04 --> 00:38:08 feel like that at the time, but I was and then
00:38:08 --> 00:38:12 I thought it was over but then Like this was
00:38:12 --> 00:38:16 in fucking I think May like literally a month
00:38:16 --> 00:38:18 later I hadn't talked to her like I stopped talking
00:38:18 --> 00:38:20 to her because she was blowing me up trying to
00:38:20 --> 00:38:25 get a rematch She posts a video in tags Creek
00:38:27 --> 00:38:29 And if I feel like if she wouldn't have tagged
00:38:29 --> 00:38:32 Creek, it probably would have been fine. But
00:38:32 --> 00:38:35 she's like, you know, Frank Caesar and this other
00:38:35 --> 00:38:39 guy are bullying these people and making me making
00:38:39 --> 00:38:42 this woman and a bunch of other women feel unsafe.
00:38:43 --> 00:38:46 And I feel like the unsafe thing is kind of what.
00:38:46 --> 00:38:48 Because that's why I understand because like
00:38:48 --> 00:38:49 everything that was going on right then there
00:38:49 --> 00:38:52 was comics getting like death threats from Creek
00:38:52 --> 00:38:54 There was another comic trying to like sue comics
00:38:54 --> 00:38:56 at Creek and sending crazy shit to them like
00:38:56 --> 00:38:59 there was a lot of stuff Creek in a management
00:38:59 --> 00:39:02 level and as a business was dealing with And
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04 I understand like as soon as that word unsafe
00:39:04 --> 00:39:06 pops up like you have to do something especially
00:39:06 --> 00:39:09 right now So I get it but because of that they're
00:39:09 --> 00:39:13 like look you're on a little hiatus could be
00:39:13 --> 00:39:16 permanent. I don't know But they also don't know
00:39:16 --> 00:39:18 everything that's going on. I didn't even know
00:39:18 --> 00:39:20 everything that was going on. So they're like,
00:39:20 --> 00:39:22 just get I told them my side of the story. They're
00:39:22 --> 00:39:24 like, send me some screenshots. I send them some
00:39:24 --> 00:39:27 screenshots. But once I got the screenshots,
00:39:27 --> 00:39:30 I didn't realize how fucking deep it was, dude.
00:39:30 --> 00:39:33 It was crazy. It was like like if I were if I
00:39:33 --> 00:39:36 were telling them telling people about stuff
00:39:36 --> 00:39:37 that was going on and I didn't have those screenshots,
00:39:38 --> 00:39:39 people would probably look at me like, are you
00:39:39 --> 00:39:41 fucking schizophrenic? Like, this is insane.
00:39:42 --> 00:39:45 Like. Like it like it like to the point of like.
00:39:46 --> 00:39:48 There was a comic who used to work in health
00:39:48 --> 00:39:51 care saying like, oh, I wish I could. We should
00:39:51 --> 00:39:53 we should like we I wish I could get his medical
00:39:53 --> 00:39:55 records so I could because he probably has like
00:39:55 --> 00:39:57 an STD or something. And then somebody was like,
00:39:57 --> 00:39:58 well, he doesn't even have to have one. We could
00:39:58 --> 00:40:01 just tell people as HIV and then like weird shit
00:40:01 --> 00:40:03 like that saying they're going to take life insurance
00:40:03 --> 00:40:05 policies out on me. So my daughter had money,
00:40:05 --> 00:40:07 which I don't know what that means. I can insinuate
00:40:07 --> 00:40:11 what that means. But like. Starting like a weird
00:40:11 --> 00:40:13 online burn book saying they're gonna post my
00:40:13 --> 00:40:15 picture everywhere in Austin with a link to it
00:40:15 --> 00:40:19 like really really like Like as a babbler, I
00:40:19 --> 00:40:22 say some crazy shit, but this wasn't this wasn't
00:40:22 --> 00:40:25 on stage. This wasn't a joke It was like an they
00:40:25 --> 00:40:28 were organizing and recruiting people like literally
00:40:28 --> 00:40:31 like Straight up saying they're trying to run
00:40:31 --> 00:40:34 me out of venues and then they did and once that
00:40:34 --> 00:40:37 happened like it was like my whole world was
00:40:38 --> 00:40:40 Crush because I've spent the last like the last
00:40:40 --> 00:40:42 two years. You can ask any comic who's asked
00:40:42 --> 00:40:46 me like For like I hate when comics ask for advice
00:40:46 --> 00:40:49 But like the only advice I ever really give is
00:40:49 --> 00:40:52 like don't waste your time building relationships
00:40:52 --> 00:40:54 with bars Spend time building a relationship
00:40:54 --> 00:40:56 with a club because that's how you're gonna make
00:40:56 --> 00:40:57 your career And that's what I've been doing for
00:40:57 --> 00:40:59 like two years with Creek trying to like really
00:40:59 --> 00:41:01 get in there and become part of the community
00:41:01 --> 00:41:03 and it felt like I finally had reached a point
00:41:03 --> 00:41:08 where I was and then it was ripped away and It
00:41:08 --> 00:41:11 was my fault like I could have just not engaged
00:41:11 --> 00:41:15 but like Also, that's not really who I am. Um,
00:41:15 --> 00:41:17 yeah at least at that point and I've definitely
00:41:17 --> 00:41:22 like learned a lesson about bugging open mic
00:41:22 --> 00:41:24 drama because somebody told somebody told me
00:41:24 --> 00:41:26 I don't remember who said it but they said either
00:41:26 --> 00:41:29 you're on her level or she's on yours and you
00:41:29 --> 00:41:32 got to decide and That was like, all right. Well
00:41:32 --> 00:41:34 then if if I think I'm doing better than her
00:41:34 --> 00:41:36 Do I need to waste my time on her or anybody
00:41:36 --> 00:41:40 that's trying to like start stupid Nonsensical
00:41:40 --> 00:41:42 drama because when this all happened when people
00:41:42 --> 00:41:46 found out because like I told a few people because
00:41:46 --> 00:41:48 I had to get screenshots But you know how word
00:41:48 --> 00:41:50 spreads around here. Even if you're like, hey,
00:41:50 --> 00:41:52 don't bring this up to anybody I don't want anything
00:41:52 --> 00:41:55 to come back on to the club, right? I don't want
00:41:55 --> 00:41:58 anything to come back on to anybody else. I'm
00:41:58 --> 00:42:01 just doing this to kind of cover my ass Like
00:42:01 --> 00:42:04 I was told to But then they tell people, and
00:42:04 --> 00:42:06 people would be coming up to me and they're like,
00:42:06 --> 00:42:08 this is fucking bullshit. Like, you don't even
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10 creep out women, you creep out guys. And I'm
00:42:10 --> 00:42:14 like, I know. Like, it's, I don't, so, like,
00:42:14 --> 00:42:20 it was, it was a very weird, drawn -out situation.
00:42:20 --> 00:42:22 Also happened at a very unfortunate time, because
00:42:22 --> 00:42:26 nobody was in town to handle it. But I'm thankful
00:42:26 --> 00:42:28 it's over, and I'm thankful it seems like things
00:42:28 --> 00:42:30 are kind of getting back to like a normal -ish
00:42:30 --> 00:42:34 level. Also, I probably thought about it way
00:42:34 --> 00:42:38 more than anybody else had because But it just
00:42:38 --> 00:42:43 it felt it felt shitty. Yeah So like what basically
00:42:43 --> 00:42:46 what does that look like for how you handle?
00:42:47 --> 00:42:49 Things in general from now on out. Yeah, like
00:42:49 --> 00:42:52 now like do you think that if if something pops
00:42:52 --> 00:42:55 up Do you think that you would you would do a
00:42:55 --> 00:42:57 caricature? Would you like sort of just be like
00:42:57 --> 00:42:59 I'm not gonna evolve with that anymore. Just
00:42:59 --> 00:43:01 like how would you handle it? Like I said, I
00:43:01 --> 00:43:03 don't think I always did the smart thing, but
00:43:03 --> 00:43:06 I don't think I did the wrong thing and I think
00:43:06 --> 00:43:09 Moving forward I need to have a little bit more
00:43:09 --> 00:43:12 discernment about whether something's worth my
00:43:12 --> 00:43:14 energy And then if I do do anything like if I
00:43:14 --> 00:43:17 were to do a character about somebody again Which
00:43:17 --> 00:43:19 I don't really enjoy all that much because I'd
00:43:19 --> 00:43:20 rather just do stand -up But if I was to do another
00:43:20 --> 00:43:23 character like it lives and dies with the character
00:43:23 --> 00:43:25 Like, I don't need to carry it on after that,
00:43:25 --> 00:43:27 I think, at least at this point. And especially
00:43:27 --> 00:43:30 right now, because things are just like, I just
00:43:30 --> 00:43:35 got back. And like, yeah, no, like, because really,
00:43:35 --> 00:43:37 I'm just here, I'm just here to do fucking comedy.
00:43:38 --> 00:43:40 Right. So like, once it got to a point where
00:43:40 --> 00:43:43 someone, someone managed to take away my ability,
00:43:43 --> 00:43:45 essentially, to do comedy, because even though
00:43:45 --> 00:43:48 I wasn't like banished from every club or was
00:43:48 --> 00:43:50 I wasn't like not allowed to go to every club.
00:43:51 --> 00:43:54 Like I just I was so unfunny. I was in such like
00:43:54 --> 00:43:57 a bad headspace because like what people don't
00:43:57 --> 00:44:00 understand about the Austin scene is like the
00:44:00 --> 00:44:03 club. That club is like the community hub. That's
00:44:03 --> 00:44:06 where all your friends are all the time. That's
00:44:06 --> 00:44:08 where that's where I go to celebrate Thanksgiving
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11 and Christmas. Like, you know, like it's it's
00:44:11 --> 00:44:14 it's the community. So it wasn't just like, oh,
00:44:14 --> 00:44:16 you can't do stand up here. It was like, oh,
00:44:16 --> 00:44:18 you can't. like be part of the community and
00:44:18 --> 00:44:20 all my friends had to like work around that which
00:44:20 --> 00:44:22 was really I felt bad and I felt really was really
00:44:22 --> 00:44:24 annoying for them to be like oh after this we
00:44:24 --> 00:44:26 can go to this show and then they're like oh
00:44:26 --> 00:44:28 wait you can't we will do something else and
00:44:28 --> 00:44:30 I have to be like no go but like on the inside
00:44:30 --> 00:44:33 be like fucking don't go like but also like I
00:44:33 --> 00:44:35 don't want to take any business with anybody
00:44:35 --> 00:44:39 over my own stupid choices yeah what was uh like
00:44:39 --> 00:44:42 I hope this doesn't come out like the wrong way
00:44:42 --> 00:44:44 so Like, you know, I have to answer it if you
00:44:44 --> 00:44:45 don't want to, but like, I'm kind of like, what
00:44:45 --> 00:44:49 was your intention from just getting involved
00:44:49 --> 00:44:52 in the first place? Well, my intention from getting
00:44:52 --> 00:44:57 involved, like with the Mish character, that's
00:44:57 --> 00:44:59 where it started. So that's where it really kind
00:44:59 --> 00:45:01 of peaked up. Because that's what I was kind
00:45:01 --> 00:45:04 of like wondering was like, where did it go crazy?
00:45:04 --> 00:45:06 Because we were friends until that night. Yeah,
00:45:06 --> 00:45:08 because it seemed like everything was kind of
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11 kosher. for a minute there. Yeah, her and I were
00:45:11 --> 00:45:14 very warm, very close until that night. That's
00:45:14 --> 00:45:16 when it all changed. But literally, it was just
00:45:16 --> 00:45:19 like, how can I address this? Because you can
00:45:19 --> 00:45:22 ask, like, 95 % of the comics in the scene, and
00:45:22 --> 00:45:24 they'll have the same opinion on it. Like, this
00:45:24 --> 00:45:26 is stupid. This is wrong. He shouldn't be doing
00:45:26 --> 00:45:28 that. But, like, nobody's going to say anything.
00:45:29 --> 00:45:33 And posting about it is gay. Like, that's like...
00:45:34 --> 00:45:36 Yes, so you're aware. Yeah, that's like silly
00:45:36 --> 00:45:38 like it's in other words like I'm not trying
00:45:38 --> 00:45:41 to put words in your mouth Please please if I'm
00:45:41 --> 00:45:42 wrong, but like but basically what it sounds
00:45:42 --> 00:45:44 like to me from what you're telling me Is that
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46 that all this is it was sort of a joke supposed
00:45:46 --> 00:45:48 to be a joke Is that right or was it like something
00:45:48 --> 00:45:51 like you're like, well, no, I need to point this
00:45:51 --> 00:45:54 out I need to let people know I actually like
00:45:54 --> 00:45:56 so my mom's in town. We just talked about it
00:45:56 --> 00:45:59 because she didn't know I got unbanned The way
00:46:00 --> 00:46:02 I describe the situation, because I don't think
00:46:02 --> 00:46:03 the entire situation, when you look at it as
00:46:03 --> 00:46:06 is, is anything even close to a joke with all
00:46:06 --> 00:46:08 the context that I didn't know about until recently.
00:46:09 --> 00:46:12 But, like, I tried, I think with the exception
00:46:12 --> 00:46:15 of maybe one or two times. Probably, I think,
00:46:15 --> 00:46:19 just one time. Everything I did to respond was
00:46:19 --> 00:46:22 always on stage, which I think is your job as
00:46:22 --> 00:46:26 a comic is, if there's something going on, it's
00:46:26 --> 00:46:29 not your job to be a fucking... TED Talker or
00:46:29 --> 00:46:32 a political commentator, you go on stage and
00:46:32 --> 00:46:34 you talk about it and you make it funny. And
00:46:34 --> 00:46:37 that's what I was trying to do. That's like,
00:46:38 --> 00:46:41 I wasn't going to go on Instagram and look down
00:46:41 --> 00:46:43 barrel at the camera and be like, it's wrong
00:46:43 --> 00:46:45 to imitate other comics, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:46:45 --> 00:46:47 Like, no, I'm gonna do it too, and I'm gonna
00:46:47 --> 00:46:53 do it as good as I can and make it funny. Like,
00:46:53 --> 00:46:56 but yeah, it was stupid, but it was also, it
00:46:56 --> 00:47:00 was a joke. Sure. And it got, it got subjective,
00:47:00 --> 00:47:02 comedy subjective. She took it the way she wanted
00:47:02 --> 00:47:05 to take it. She took, even though there wasn't
00:47:05 --> 00:47:08 really sides to take. Cause like I said, as a
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10 person, that guy is very, very nice and I have
00:47:10 --> 00:47:14 no problems with him personally. But like, it
00:47:14 --> 00:47:16 was something that a lot of people, excuse me.
00:47:17 --> 00:47:18 It was something that a lot of people in the
00:47:18 --> 00:47:22 scene were, were, you could like, you really
00:47:22 --> 00:47:24 couldn't go like more than a few days without
00:47:24 --> 00:47:28 hearing about. Oh, like. this fucking bitch guy.
00:47:28 --> 00:47:31 Like, I don't want to be like, I want to be like
00:47:31 --> 00:47:35 my mom just gossiping, like, in the back of a
00:47:35 --> 00:47:37 club. I'd rather just, like, talk about it in
00:47:37 --> 00:47:39 front of everybody and maybe that way at least
00:47:39 --> 00:47:44 we can laugh about it and then whatever. So,
00:47:44 --> 00:47:47 and that's the mindset I went in with both of
00:47:47 --> 00:47:51 those characters was like, yeah, hers was a little
00:47:51 --> 00:47:54 bit more like, oh, I'm doing this because you
00:47:54 --> 00:47:59 made me mad. Um, but even then it was just still
00:47:59 --> 00:48:01 like both those characters specifically were
00:48:01 --> 00:48:05 just behaviors that I saw them exhibit. Things
00:48:05 --> 00:48:09 I heard them say and acting the way I've seen
00:48:09 --> 00:48:14 them act. Uh, it wasn't me. Like the Mitch one
00:48:14 --> 00:48:16 was a little bit more like I had to write jokes,
00:48:16 --> 00:48:18 but the idea was like, Oh, I don't even know
00:48:18 --> 00:48:21 who Mitch is. Like, I'm just this funny. Like
00:48:21 --> 00:48:23 that was the point of the joke. And then with
00:48:23 --> 00:48:26 the other one, it was like, oh, so like you're
00:48:26 --> 00:48:28 going to act like you're saying you're literally
00:48:28 --> 00:48:31 telling comics. You're above them. And none of
00:48:31 --> 00:48:33 us are funny. And you're way better than them.
00:48:33 --> 00:48:35 And you're famous because you got pulled from
00:48:35 --> 00:48:39 a bucket. Like, I'm going to do that on stage.
00:48:39 --> 00:48:41 Like, that's literally all it was. I was just
00:48:41 --> 00:48:44 being a clout chaser on stage. That's it. I was
00:48:44 --> 00:48:47 just doing a lot of the things that I was saying
00:48:47 --> 00:48:49 in that set were things I've heard her fucking
00:48:49 --> 00:48:52 say. So it wasn't like I was. Writing shit to
00:48:52 --> 00:48:55 be mean. I was just holding up a mirror was the
00:48:55 --> 00:48:57 way I was looking at it And it was just funny
00:48:57 --> 00:48:59 because people also were like, yeah, this is
00:48:59 --> 00:49:02 kind of ridiculous Yeah, so it's not it kind
00:49:02 --> 00:49:04 of sounds to me like they uh, excuse me. I'm
00:49:04 --> 00:49:08 like, oh Pardon me. So it kind of sounds like
00:49:08 --> 00:49:12 to me that um Like they didn't take it as the
00:49:12 --> 00:49:15 joke like one of the jokes on you. Do you ever
00:49:15 --> 00:49:19 I don't not get it like But it's all about how
00:49:19 --> 00:49:21 you respond. And when someone makes a joke about
00:49:21 --> 00:49:25 me, my response is immediately, I'm going to
00:49:25 --> 00:49:27 start a secret group chat and organize a hate
00:49:27 --> 00:49:29 campaign and try and run you out of town. I'm
00:49:29 --> 00:49:32 going to respond and try and be funnier. Yeah.
00:49:32 --> 00:49:36 So you put it out there. You got on stage and
00:49:36 --> 00:49:38 that's, you know, that's the way that you tried
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41 to handle these these things that were essentially
00:49:41 --> 00:49:44 like. I guess like opinions, I guess like or
00:49:44 --> 00:49:46 was it like just um, like it wasn't anything
00:49:46 --> 00:49:48 that personally happened to me It was influenced
00:49:48 --> 00:49:51 by my opinion of them got nothing. I was doing
00:49:51 --> 00:49:53 was not something they were also doing Yeah,
00:49:53 --> 00:49:57 you know what I mean? Yeah, like the likes Like
00:49:57 --> 00:50:01 there's a line in the that I think I'll say the
00:50:01 --> 00:50:04 character named Francesca's That stand -up bit
00:50:04 --> 00:50:07 I did as that character was like my my friend
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09 my personal friend and famous celebrity Tony
00:50:09 --> 00:50:13 Hinchcliffe like Literally, I got that line because
00:50:13 --> 00:50:16 somebody showed me this person's Tinder profile
00:50:16 --> 00:50:19 and was like, yeah, I've been on till Tony like
00:50:19 --> 00:50:23 five times like Joe Rogan, Tony Hinchcliffe,
00:50:23 --> 00:50:25 and a bunch of other comics. I know them and
00:50:25 --> 00:50:26 I'm friends with them all. And I was like, that
00:50:26 --> 00:50:28 is the craziest thing I've ever fucking seen
00:50:28 --> 00:50:32 on Tinder. So I got like everything like literally
00:50:32 --> 00:50:36 I got from them. Like even like the you can argue
00:50:36 --> 00:50:40 the transphobic bit was like something she has
00:50:40 --> 00:50:43 said. So it's like it, it was never like I was
00:50:43 --> 00:50:46 going out of my way to be overtly like mean or
00:50:46 --> 00:50:48 offensive. I was literally just doing what they
00:50:48 --> 00:50:50 were doing. And I understand why they took it
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52 the way they did. But is it, was there like a
00:50:52 --> 00:50:55 point that you were just like, um, all right,
00:50:55 --> 00:50:58 this needs to be like, all right, I'm done. Like,
00:50:58 --> 00:51:00 okay, cool. So I'm fun finishes. So I just got,
00:51:00 --> 00:51:02 you know, just wanted to do a little joke, put
00:51:02 --> 00:51:04 it out there and it's over. Was there ever a
00:51:04 --> 00:51:06 point when it was like that or was it just sort
00:51:06 --> 00:51:08 of like Okay, well they're saying something now.
00:51:08 --> 00:51:11 I need to say something back or how was the progression?
00:51:11 --> 00:51:12 What I thought was the end was the roast battle
00:51:12 --> 00:51:16 because that was the the terms literally were
00:51:16 --> 00:51:20 Like if I lose I will post a public apology.
00:51:20 --> 00:51:22 I'll do a retraction. I'll remove these characters
00:51:22 --> 00:51:25 from my page I won't ever use them again. Mm
00:51:25 --> 00:51:27 -hmm All you have to do is take Katie out of
00:51:27 --> 00:51:30 your bio and she accepted it and I won and then
00:51:30 --> 00:51:31 even at the battle She's like we're squashing
00:51:31 --> 00:51:33 the beef. I thought the beef was done, but apparently
00:51:33 --> 00:51:37 I was fucking wrong Like, so like I said, after
00:51:37 --> 00:51:39 that battle, I texted her maybe a couple times
00:51:39 --> 00:51:42 about like a rematch because she wanted to. And
00:51:42 --> 00:51:44 I was just trying to be amicable and move past
00:51:44 --> 00:51:47 it and, you know, give her a little bit of grace
00:51:47 --> 00:51:50 because we're all comics and, you know, a lot
00:51:50 --> 00:51:53 of people here relatively knew. So I was like,
00:51:53 --> 00:51:55 yeah, you know, let's do it. And then it just
00:51:55 --> 00:51:57 got to a point where it was annoying. So instead
00:51:57 --> 00:51:59 of me, like talking shit to her, I was just like,
00:52:00 --> 00:52:02 whatever. And I stopped talking. And then like
00:52:02 --> 00:52:05 a month later, she posted that reel. So okay,
00:52:05 --> 00:52:07 so I thought it was on at the Rose Battle is
00:52:07 --> 00:52:09 it when you got to Austin? Did you have any idea
00:52:09 --> 00:52:11 like shit what happened like this for you like
00:52:11 --> 00:52:14 that? You would you know, like create we waves
00:52:14 --> 00:52:18 in a way It's weird cuz like I don't feel like
00:52:18 --> 00:52:21 I've created any waves. I just feel like Like
00:52:21 --> 00:52:24 I'm just doing comedy and doing rose battles.
00:52:24 --> 00:52:28 Mm -hmm. And Some people will straight up tell
00:52:28 --> 00:52:29 me like yeah, you're just a rose bella comic
00:52:29 --> 00:52:30 and then there's other comments would be like
00:52:30 --> 00:52:33 no dude like that was a moment that the scene
00:52:33 --> 00:52:35 will remember forever. And I'm like, that's gay.
00:52:35 --> 00:52:38 That's not true. But like, when I moved to Austin,
00:52:39 --> 00:52:43 the only thing I went in knowing was that being
00:52:43 --> 00:52:45 in my scene, I was comfortable, and I wanted
00:52:45 --> 00:52:46 to move to a scene where I was not comfortable,
00:52:46 --> 00:52:49 so I could get better. And that's just what I
00:52:49 --> 00:52:52 assumed was going on. And I know like, because
00:52:52 --> 00:52:55 there's drama in every scene. I was like, I guarantee
00:52:55 --> 00:52:57 it, I'm going to meet someone I don't like here.
00:52:59 --> 00:53:01 you know lo and behold everywhere you go, there's
00:53:01 --> 00:53:04 someone who doesn't like you or you don't like
00:53:04 --> 00:53:07 and So I just kind of handled it how I figured
00:53:07 --> 00:53:10 a comic would handle it and like I said I wasn't
00:53:10 --> 00:53:13 smart about it and In my opinion, I wasn't wrong,
00:53:13 --> 00:53:15 but I'm sure objectively there's cases where
00:53:15 --> 00:53:20 I was But now I didn't have any clue that I didn't
00:53:20 --> 00:53:22 have any clue I would move to Austin and get
00:53:22 --> 00:53:24 like creep charges thrown at me Like that was
00:53:24 --> 00:53:28 crazy and it's just it was weird that people
00:53:28 --> 00:53:32 would stoop to that level of like because Because
00:53:32 --> 00:53:35 of all this like stuff that's happened in entertainment
00:53:35 --> 00:53:38 specifically for the last like decade Like I
00:53:38 --> 00:53:40 feel like a lot of people don't realize like
00:53:40 --> 00:53:43 yeah when you say shit like that their career
00:53:43 --> 00:53:47 is over But that ruins their personal life yeah,
00:53:47 --> 00:53:52 so like Like, I'm not that anxious of a person,
00:53:52 --> 00:53:54 but, like, when this was going on and when I
00:53:54 --> 00:53:56 saw all those screenshots of what they were plotting
00:53:56 --> 00:53:58 to do, there was, like, a solid, like, month
00:53:58 --> 00:54:00 where I was, like, looking over my shoulder,
00:54:00 --> 00:54:02 because I was, like, anxious about, like, somebody
00:54:02 --> 00:54:04 trying to come out of the woodworks to attack
00:54:04 --> 00:54:07 me. Because I don't know, like, what's being
00:54:07 --> 00:54:09 said all the time outside of that group chat,
00:54:09 --> 00:54:12 but what was in the group chat that they know
00:54:12 --> 00:54:15 could be screenshotted was pretty terrible. So
00:54:15 --> 00:54:17 like, what are they saying when there's no eyes
00:54:17 --> 00:54:19 on it? You know, it was kind of like that. So
00:54:19 --> 00:54:21 I didn't, I had no clue that could happen when
00:54:21 --> 00:54:24 I moved here. Um, but I knew there was going
00:54:24 --> 00:54:27 to be like hitches and bumps in the road, I'm
00:54:27 --> 00:54:30 sure. Yeah. So now that, geez, I don't know what
00:54:30 --> 00:54:34 is going on with me, but, uh, excuse me. It's
00:54:34 --> 00:54:36 going to be fun to scrub that. But, uh, so like
00:54:36 --> 00:54:39 what, uh, like now that the dust, uh, now that
00:54:39 --> 00:54:42 the dust is settling, you know, like Well, you
00:54:42 --> 00:54:44 know, where are you hoping that things would
00:54:44 --> 00:54:51 go? Really? I I don't know. I really just want
00:54:51 --> 00:54:56 to be like fully back and not have to like. Like,
00:54:56 --> 00:54:58 obviously, like I want to behave myself, but
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00 like right now I'm in the stage of like, dude,
00:55:01 --> 00:55:03 watch your mind, your P's and Q's because like
00:55:03 --> 00:55:06 it's like even if I know I'm fucking nobody,
00:55:06 --> 00:55:08 but like I know that after something like that,
00:55:08 --> 00:55:10 there's probably a little bit more eyes on how
00:55:10 --> 00:55:13 you're acting. So it's like I kind of it's like
00:55:13 --> 00:55:16 being in school almost like I have to like really
00:55:16 --> 00:55:19 like watch how I'm behaving and but like really
00:55:19 --> 00:55:21 I just want to get back to a point where it's
00:55:21 --> 00:55:24 like I have the little bit of momentum I had
00:55:24 --> 00:55:28 which like oh it feels like I'm getting there
00:55:28 --> 00:55:32 and then not have it feel like at all weird.
00:55:32 --> 00:55:35 that I'm there because there is times when I'm
00:55:35 --> 00:55:37 there I'm like and I do feel like a little bit
00:55:37 --> 00:55:40 weird. So it's like also like I just want to
00:55:40 --> 00:55:42 like do comedy. So it really doesn't matter at
00:55:42 --> 00:55:44 this point as long as I don't have that mark
00:55:44 --> 00:55:48 on my record that that's what's important because
00:55:48 --> 00:55:50 like like I said it was like to the point where
00:55:50 --> 00:55:52 I was like I'm going to have to if this doesn't
00:55:52 --> 00:55:55 get resolved I will have to leave Austin because
00:55:55 --> 00:55:58 like if you're banned from one club some other
00:55:58 --> 00:56:01 clubs respect that ban. And then if you're banned
00:56:01 --> 00:56:03 from one club that's the community, you can't
00:56:03 --> 00:56:04 ever go like network or be part of the events.
00:56:05 --> 00:56:07 I also do stats for roast battles. Like I do
00:56:07 --> 00:56:09 have to be at the roast battle so I can see what's
00:56:09 --> 00:56:12 going on. So it's like - You do stats? Yeah,
00:56:12 --> 00:56:14 I run for the Austin chapter. I run the stats
00:56:14 --> 00:56:16 for roast battle. I had no idea that was even
00:56:16 --> 00:56:21 a thing. I think it's newer. Dan Wicks created
00:56:21 --> 00:56:24 this website that shows like the points and the
00:56:24 --> 00:56:26 rankings and the stats of each scene, the points
00:56:26 --> 00:56:29 of each battle. He's super autistic. He's really,
00:56:29 --> 00:56:32 he's super fun. And then he just hits me up one
00:56:32 --> 00:56:33 day, he's like, hey, do you want to do stats
00:56:33 --> 00:56:36 for the Austin scene? And I'm like, sure. Is
00:56:36 --> 00:56:39 it paid? No? Okay. Right. But so, so I, so I
00:56:39 --> 00:56:44 do that. But like, I just like, yeah. So moving
00:56:44 --> 00:56:46 forward, I just wanna be able to fucking do comedy.
00:56:46 --> 00:56:50 Yeah, you just wanna do comedy. I was at a place,
00:56:50 --> 00:56:54 I felt like, where I was about to move forward
00:56:54 --> 00:56:57 and now I feel like I'm still in that place because
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59 of my own actions. Like, now I'm gonna have to
00:56:59 --> 00:57:02 work, I feel like, a little bit harder, which
00:57:02 --> 00:57:04 I don't have a problem with, but yeah. Yeah.
00:57:04 --> 00:57:08 This might be like a weird sort of... Another
00:57:08 --> 00:57:10 weird kind of question, but but I always wonder
00:57:10 --> 00:57:11 like, you know, like when these kind of things
00:57:11 --> 00:57:13 like sort of happen You know, like what kind
00:57:13 --> 00:57:15 of lessons do you learn like from that? Like
00:57:15 --> 00:57:18 what's like your biggest takeaway from the entire
00:57:18 --> 00:57:22 experience? Just Having a little bit more wisdom
00:57:22 --> 00:57:25 and discernment about what I invest my energy
00:57:25 --> 00:57:29 into I like I always I always try and think a
00:57:29 --> 00:57:32 couple steps ahead and like how would this look
00:57:32 --> 00:57:35 in a week and how would this look to people in
00:57:35 --> 00:57:37 this level of comedy or this level of my profession
00:57:37 --> 00:57:41 versus My level versus a level under like whatever
00:57:41 --> 00:57:46 but I think I definitely It reinforced that and
00:57:46 --> 00:57:48 moving forward. I'm definitely going to pay attention
00:57:48 --> 00:57:52 to what I put my time into and like who I interact
00:57:52 --> 00:57:57 with It also taught me that like everybody I
00:57:57 --> 00:58:00 mean we're it's comedy so we're all out for ourselves
00:58:00 --> 00:58:02 even if we're in it together and so like I was
00:58:02 --> 00:58:05 surprised by like how many people that I wouldn't
00:58:05 --> 00:58:08 have expected to kind of be like a part of that
00:58:08 --> 00:58:12 group but I was way more surprised and way more
00:58:12 --> 00:58:14 like touched emotionally with like how many more
00:58:14 --> 00:58:16 people were just like rooting for me and like
00:58:16 --> 00:58:18 on my side and being like dude it's gonna be
00:58:18 --> 00:58:24 fine so like that was nice so like I learned
00:58:24 --> 00:58:26 I learned a lot like yeah, be careful who you
00:58:26 --> 00:58:30 talk to careful Who you associate with what you
00:58:30 --> 00:58:32 put your energy into and stay away from fucking
00:58:32 --> 00:58:34 drama because it's lame Yeah, you sort of like
00:58:34 --> 00:58:37 kind of kind of like figure out like, you know
00:58:37 --> 00:58:39 figure out your path You know from little things
00:58:39 --> 00:58:42 in the road there, you know, and uh, yeah many
00:58:42 --> 00:58:45 ways like I've had like similar kind of things
00:58:45 --> 00:58:47 just doing the podcast I didn't think that anything
00:58:47 --> 00:58:52 would ever be you know, like controversial or
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54 like, you know, anything. I was like, I just
00:58:54 --> 00:58:55 thought it was just two people just talking,
00:58:55 --> 00:58:58 you know, but, but yeah, man, it's like sometimes
00:58:58 --> 00:59:01 some clips that I post that just, I just didn't
00:59:01 --> 00:59:03 think were harmful in any way, shape or form.
00:59:04 --> 00:59:06 Like people, people have like ripped it up and
00:59:06 --> 00:59:08 like, you know, send me messages and I'm just
00:59:08 --> 00:59:11 like, what the fuck? You know, I don't understand
00:59:11 --> 00:59:13 it, you know, but you start to learn, you know,
00:59:13 --> 00:59:15 just like you're saying, you kind of start to
00:59:15 --> 00:59:17 learn like, Okay, maybe I need to pay a little
00:59:17 --> 00:59:19 bit more attention to, like, what I'm doing.
00:59:19 --> 00:59:22 Yeah. But what about, like, so what's your future
00:59:22 --> 00:59:25 in comedy? Like, how are you seeing that in general?
00:59:25 --> 00:59:27 No fucking clue. I have no fucking clue. It can
00:59:27 --> 00:59:31 go many ways. The most realistic ways is I end
00:59:31 --> 00:59:37 up penniless and dead and broke. Mean right now
00:59:37 --> 00:59:40 I think like my biggest thing I really really
00:59:40 --> 00:59:42 would love to do is like right for like a big
00:59:42 --> 00:59:45 roast and that's why I'm putting a lot of energy
00:59:45 --> 00:59:46 in a roast battle right now is because I'm trying
00:59:46 --> 00:59:50 to build like a portfolio for that and I hate
00:59:50 --> 00:59:54 it But like I like it's it's such a weird industry
00:59:54 --> 00:59:59 like people can go like 30 years like being penniless
00:59:59 --> 01:00:02 and unknown and yeah, maybe respected but like
01:00:02 --> 01:00:05 not like Nobody knows you are not selling tickets
01:00:05 --> 01:00:07 and then out of nowhere you pop and especially
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 with like how the internet is and how Gil Tony
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12 is Like anybody could really pop at any time.
01:00:12 --> 01:00:15 Mm -hmm So I'm like, I'm as long as I get to
01:00:15 --> 01:00:18 do comedy and I'm getting better. That's what
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22 I'm that's really like the focus right now Yeah,
01:00:22 --> 01:00:27 and whatever happens happens And obviously I'd
01:00:27 --> 01:00:30 love for good things to happen But yeah, I think
01:00:30 --> 01:00:33 my biggest thing right now is you know Want to
01:00:33 --> 01:00:37 get past it more clubs in town and I want to
01:00:37 --> 01:00:41 you know, do something with roasting and Make
01:00:41 --> 01:00:43 enough money so I can at least pay my bills.
01:00:43 --> 01:00:46 So yeah. Yeah, I'll be pretty awesome And from
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48 what I know like the limited knowledge of like
01:00:48 --> 01:00:51 the roasts community from what I know to you
01:00:51 --> 01:00:54 like You know, from you being up in Illinois,
01:00:54 --> 01:00:56 I think, like, doesn't Chicago have, like, a
01:00:56 --> 01:00:58 massive, like, roast thing going on up there?
01:00:58 --> 01:01:02 They do. If I remember correctly, they kind of
01:01:02 --> 01:01:05 withdrew from RBL, which is, like, the league
01:01:05 --> 01:01:07 internationally. Roast Battle League, is that
01:01:07 --> 01:01:10 what that means? Yeah. Wow, dude, I didn't know
01:01:10 --> 01:01:13 that roasting goes that deep. I had no idea.
01:01:13 --> 01:01:17 I didn't either. I didn't realize it, but, like,
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20 there's a lot of cool stuff that Roast Battle
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23 League's doing. And I think if you want to, like,
01:01:23 --> 01:01:27 really do anything with roast battle, like, with
01:01:27 --> 01:01:31 roasting, you should do your best to, like, have
01:01:31 --> 01:01:32 a good relationship with the league and be part
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35 of the league. But everywhere does have roast
01:01:35 --> 01:01:38 battles. It's not, like, a new concept. So, like,
01:01:38 --> 01:01:40 yeah. Oh, okay. So, I'm sorry, I didn't mean
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42 to interrupt, but, like, if, like, the roast
01:01:42 --> 01:01:45 battle league, does that mean that there's, like,
01:01:45 --> 01:01:48 you know, like, an Austin chapter or something
01:01:48 --> 01:01:51 of the RBL? Yeah. And Austin roast battle. No
01:01:51 --> 01:01:53 way. I didn't know that. Roast battle ATX. Yeah.
01:01:53 --> 01:01:55 We're part of, we're the part of the, we're leading
01:01:55 --> 01:01:57 the Southern division. I think we're second or
01:01:57 --> 01:02:02 third league in the world. Um, and this might
01:02:02 --> 01:02:04 be an unpopular opinion and Dan wouldn't like
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05 that I said this, but I think the only reason
01:02:05 --> 01:02:07 we haven't, we're not ahead of New York is because
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10 New York just has so many roast battles. Oh,
01:02:10 --> 01:02:14 really? Yeah. Like we only have, um, roast battle
01:02:14 --> 01:02:17 three times a month in Austin as part of the
01:02:17 --> 01:02:20 league. Um, It's every other week at Creek and
01:02:20 --> 01:02:22 then once a month at Mothership. And those are
01:02:22 --> 01:02:24 the only ones that are eligible to be submitted
01:02:24 --> 01:02:28 for RBL. And there's also WRBL, which are the
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29 smaller leagues that are trying to work their
01:02:29 --> 01:02:32 way into the league. I think like the number
01:02:32 --> 01:02:36 one WRBL league in each season gets bumped up
01:02:36 --> 01:02:40 to the league and the number, the lowest one
01:02:40 --> 01:02:43 in the RBL gets demoted to W. What does a W stand
01:02:43 --> 01:02:47 for? World. World. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, will Yeah,
01:02:47 --> 01:02:51 wills roast bad It's the widow was about a week
01:02:51 --> 01:02:52 the widow. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:02:53 --> 01:02:55 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:02:57 --> 01:02:57 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:02:57 --> 01:02:57 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:02:57 --> 01:02:58 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:02:58 --> 01:02:58 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:03:07 --> 01:03:08 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
01:03:08 --> 01:03:15 no, no, no, no, no, the best roasters in the
01:03:15 --> 01:03:19 world here. Oh yeah. New York has great roasters
01:03:19 --> 01:03:21 too. LA has great roasters too. Those are like
01:03:21 --> 01:03:25 the two other big scenes. But I think bar none,
01:03:25 --> 01:03:30 it's Austin. Yeah. And like I think if we had
01:03:30 --> 01:03:33 Roast Battle like every week, like we would probably
01:03:33 --> 01:03:35 be, I feel like number one. I might be wrong,
01:03:35 --> 01:03:38 but that's my opinion. Thank you. When I was
01:03:38 --> 01:03:41 watching a few like... I guess, bigger roast
01:03:41 --> 01:03:43 battles. And I might have been, like, watching
01:03:43 --> 01:03:46 the RBL ones, you know, and shit, but it was
01:03:46 --> 01:03:48 crazy, dude. Like, people would, uh... People
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50 would go... It looked like the stage was, like,
01:03:50 --> 01:03:52 set up, like, almost like a rap battle. Like,
01:03:52 --> 01:03:55 would I imagine a rap battle to look like? The
01:03:55 --> 01:03:57 stage was set up like that? And I always thought
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 that was so... Oh, I'd be so sick if we handled
01:03:59 --> 01:04:01 them like rap battles, dude. If it was just a
01:04:01 --> 01:04:02 bunch of people in a circle, you'd just have
01:04:02 --> 01:04:05 two people walk into the middle and start spittin'.
01:04:05 --> 01:04:08 That'd be awesome. That would be that would be
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10 like it. So are you ever wanting to run your
01:04:10 --> 01:04:13 own roast battle? Yeah, yeah, actually right
01:04:13 --> 01:04:16 now. I'm working on I have to find a venue for
01:04:16 --> 01:04:19 it I'm I want to get it at Creek because the
01:04:19 --> 01:04:22 roast crowd there and the it's like it feels
01:04:22 --> 01:04:24 like that's where like the people their fans
01:04:24 --> 01:04:27 are roast battle go Because the shows are always
01:04:27 --> 01:04:31 great and the people there love it I'd like to
01:04:31 --> 01:04:33 get it. I'm working on an affiliate show. It's
01:04:33 --> 01:04:36 unranked, but it'd be like an affiliate of roast
01:04:36 --> 01:04:37 battle where it's like a different kind of roast
01:04:37 --> 01:04:41 battle. It's more of like an event game almost.
01:04:42 --> 01:04:45 So I'm working on that. I'll be hosting that
01:04:45 --> 01:04:50 whenever like a club gets back to me. I was talking
01:04:50 --> 01:04:51 to like Roscoe's about it. I haven't really heard
01:04:51 --> 01:04:57 much back from him. But also. Whenever Ridley
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00 starts hitting the road, I'd, you know, I'd love
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02 if he passed the torch to me, because I love
01:05:02 --> 01:05:06 Rose Battle so much, like in the... You're passionate
01:05:06 --> 01:05:08 about it. Oh, yeah, dude. It's literally... Oh,
01:05:08 --> 01:05:10 shit. No, I think that was me. I think I've been
01:05:10 --> 01:05:13 fucking dropping. Dropping your vape, dude. Don't
01:05:13 --> 01:05:18 tell. Letting the Nick slip. A Nick slip. Whoa,
01:05:19 --> 01:05:21 whoa, whoa. We're getting kind of close there.
01:05:23 --> 01:05:28 Left leading podcast. But no, I would love to,
01:05:29 --> 01:05:31 whenever Ridley is given up the reins, if I was
01:05:31 --> 01:05:34 even considered, I would, I would be very honored.
01:05:35 --> 01:05:38 Or if I moved somewhere, yeah, no, I would love
01:05:38 --> 01:05:42 to run my own chapter. Just because it's, it's,
01:05:42 --> 01:05:44 it reminds me, like, I don't, I don't look that
01:05:44 --> 01:05:47 athletic right now. But I played a lot of sports
01:05:47 --> 01:05:48 run -ups, so I have like that competitive drive
01:05:48 --> 01:05:51 in me. And it's that, I think roast battle is
01:05:51 --> 01:05:54 very similar to like boxing almost. So it's like,
01:05:54 --> 01:05:59 it's, it's, it's like, Super, super, there's
01:05:59 --> 01:06:01 so much depth to it. It's not just going up there
01:06:01 --> 01:06:04 and insulting people. It's a sport. Yeah, it
01:06:04 --> 01:06:07 seems like there's a thing. What I love about
01:06:07 --> 01:06:10 rap battles is that it's almost like a battle
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14 of wordplay. I love watching it because to me,
01:06:15 --> 01:06:18 it's poetry. It's quite literally poetry. It's
01:06:18 --> 01:06:21 kind of crazy. how they're able to do it. And
01:06:21 --> 01:06:24 so seeing like rap battles is like a whole other,
01:06:24 --> 01:06:26 I mean, rap battles or roast battles is like
01:06:26 --> 01:06:28 a whole other aspect of comedy that it's like,
01:06:28 --> 01:06:30 of course that's a thing that makes total sense
01:06:30 --> 01:06:33 why that would be a thing. But at the same time,
01:06:33 --> 01:06:36 it's like, I, dude, I don't even know. Like I
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 have this curiosity within myself where I want
01:06:38 --> 01:06:40 to do it, but I'm also like, that's not really
01:06:40 --> 01:06:43 me as a person, you know? And so it's kind of
01:06:43 --> 01:06:44 like, that's kind of cool that like, you know,
01:06:44 --> 01:06:48 you, you touch base on how, you know, your competitive
01:06:48 --> 01:06:51 nature sort of Like, I see why you wanted to
01:06:51 --> 01:06:54 be, like, a roast battler. Yeah. Yeah. Because
01:06:54 --> 01:06:57 it's like, all comics are so deeply insecure.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:01 And that's why we do comedy. And we just want
01:07:01 --> 01:07:02 to show that we're better than other people,
01:07:02 --> 01:07:05 for the most part. So, like, roast battle's,
01:07:05 --> 01:07:08 like, the easiest way to do that, because it's
01:07:08 --> 01:07:10 you versus another person, and it's pure joke
01:07:10 --> 01:07:15 writing and pure persona and pure, like, it's...
01:07:17 --> 01:07:22 It's like magic how like weirdly competitive
01:07:22 --> 01:07:26 and like it sounds stupid to call it a sport,
01:07:26 --> 01:07:29 but it's like it's I'd watch roast battle any
01:07:29 --> 01:07:32 day over like football or soccer or lacrosse.
01:07:32 --> 01:07:35 I don't give a fuck about FIFA. Yeah. The only
01:07:35 --> 01:07:37 time I gave a fuck about FIFA was when they were
01:07:37 --> 01:07:40 siphoning our roast crowd. Like, so like it's
01:07:40 --> 01:07:45 so weirdly engaging, not just for the battlers
01:07:45 --> 01:07:47 or the panel, but for the audience, because you're
01:07:47 --> 01:07:51 really watching in real time, like, someone prove
01:07:51 --> 01:07:54 their shit. Like, especially when you're roasting
01:07:54 --> 01:07:56 someone, you're saying the most terrible things
01:07:56 --> 01:07:59 you can. But the trick is just saying it in a
01:07:59 --> 01:08:01 way that you're still likable, and that it's
01:08:01 --> 01:08:04 not just you being a terrible person, you're
01:08:04 --> 01:08:06 being clever, and, you know. You're not just
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 going up there just saying some stupid shit,
01:08:08 --> 01:08:11 like, the key word being clever. There's a clever
01:08:11 --> 01:08:13 way to go about it. Yeah, clever with the hard
01:08:13 --> 01:08:21 R, you know? Not clever. Fuck. That's gotta get
01:08:21 --> 01:08:28 cut. Anyway. But no, man, that's pretty fucking
01:08:28 --> 01:08:31 cool, dude. And I really think it would be cool
01:08:31 --> 01:08:34 to see something like... I always thought the
01:08:34 --> 01:08:37 roasts were just... Just sort of just things
01:08:37 --> 01:08:39 that people just put together. They're just like,
01:08:39 --> 01:08:40 all right, cool. We're just going to do a roast
01:08:40 --> 01:08:43 now. You know, but it would be kind of cool to
01:08:43 --> 01:08:46 see like a major league sort of style like roasting
01:08:46 --> 01:08:48 thing. Well, that's what we got at Creek. It's
01:08:48 --> 01:08:51 it's RBL. That's that's really what RBL is. It's
01:08:51 --> 01:08:55 like it's the NFL of roasting. It's it's yeah.
01:08:55 --> 01:08:59 So, you know, it's it's and like I said, Austin
01:08:59 --> 01:09:01 just has such a good roast culture because we're
01:09:01 --> 01:09:06 kind of pieces of shit. Well, we'll say it. Everybody
01:09:06 --> 01:09:08 kind of has a thing like that. You know, everybody
01:09:08 --> 01:09:11 sort of is figuring it out themselves. But yeah,
01:09:11 --> 01:09:12 it looks like we got like maybe like 10 minutes
01:09:12 --> 01:09:14 before we like wrap up and shit. Word, word.
01:09:14 --> 01:09:16 But yeah, dude, like what up? So like what's
01:09:16 --> 01:09:18 going on like in your future? I know we kind
01:09:18 --> 01:09:20 of like touch base on it a little bit more, but
01:09:20 --> 01:09:23 like where do you see yourself going, man? Like
01:09:23 --> 01:09:25 where do you want to end up? Where do I want
01:09:25 --> 01:09:27 to end up? Yeah, where you want to end up. Like
01:09:27 --> 01:09:30 is it like fame? Like what does fame look like
01:09:30 --> 01:09:32 to you? Like, you know, like all that kind of
01:09:32 --> 01:09:37 shit. So I don't really give a shit about like
01:09:37 --> 01:09:41 being famous Nice like my dream fulfilled would
01:09:41 --> 01:09:45 be to be able to go to like whatever club wherever
01:09:45 --> 01:09:47 in the country not even internationally and just
01:09:47 --> 01:09:50 make enough to pay my bills and To have the respect
01:09:50 --> 01:09:52 of my peers and send my kid to college. That's
01:09:52 --> 01:09:58 that's it. Yeah, that's Realistically, I mean
01:09:58 --> 01:10:02 I have some roast battles coming up I need to,
01:10:02 --> 01:10:08 I need to rerecord my, um, my half hour, which
01:10:08 --> 01:10:10 will be nice because I can replace some of the
01:10:10 --> 01:10:15 stuff from the last one. Um, so like realistically
01:10:15 --> 01:10:18 over like the next year, I think probably just
01:10:18 --> 01:10:21 going to try and travel and do more roasts and,
01:10:22 --> 01:10:25 uh, put a good packet together. So whenever there's
01:10:25 --> 01:10:28 another like big like roast, I can at least submit
01:10:28 --> 01:10:33 to it confidently. and re -record a half hour
01:10:33 --> 01:10:37 and put something out and have a time stamp of
01:10:37 --> 01:10:40 where I am as a comic now versus in another couple
01:10:40 --> 01:10:44 years when I have a full hour to put down. Oh,
01:10:44 --> 01:10:47 yeah, dude. This right here, this is your camera.
01:10:47 --> 01:10:50 If you have anything you'd like to put out, anything
01:10:50 --> 01:10:57 you want to tell people. Christ is Lord. He's
01:10:57 --> 01:11:00 running somewhere, I think. So when does this
01:11:00 --> 01:11:02 come out to like a club the Rose battle I guess
01:11:02 --> 01:11:05 but it's probably gonna be out not Next week,
01:11:05 --> 01:11:08 but the week after so if you're from the future
01:11:08 --> 01:11:11 and you can travel back a week I'm roasting Brittany
01:11:11 --> 01:11:15 Ledesma Creek on Friday I mean, I don't have
01:11:15 --> 01:11:16 really anything exciting going on just you know,
01:11:17 --> 01:11:19 come out watch Rose battle support the league
01:11:19 --> 01:11:22 buy some merch I have merch to wear and some
01:11:22 --> 01:11:27 tops go to heaven. Oh Thank you. Yeah. Yeah tops
01:11:27 --> 01:11:31 Top what it was tops like like gay guys that
01:11:31 --> 01:11:35 top They go to heaven dude, I feel like you live
01:11:35 --> 01:11:38 in this like space of I've got a roast something
01:11:38 --> 01:11:40 at all It's like something roasting anything.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:42 Somebody asked me the other day. I was wearing
01:11:42 --> 01:11:44 an HEB They're like they saw my shirt and because
01:11:44 --> 01:11:46 I have two of these and they're like what is
01:11:46 --> 01:11:49 that mean? And I was like, oh just tops go to
01:11:49 --> 01:11:51 heaven just like a little joke and they're like,
01:11:51 --> 01:11:53 oh so bottoms go to hell and I'm like actually
01:11:53 --> 01:11:57 I Didn't say that You implied it off of my shirt.
01:11:58 --> 01:12:00 In fact, you're inferring that bottoms go to
01:12:00 --> 01:12:03 hell, so that's pretty homophobic. You're racist.
01:12:04 --> 01:12:06 But, you know, I have merch. It's in my link
01:12:06 --> 01:12:10 tree on Instagram. Buy some. I need a new vape.
01:12:13 --> 01:12:15 Yeah, just come out and support the league. Support
01:12:15 --> 01:12:19 Roast Battle. We have me and Dan Wicks from Mothership
01:12:19 --> 01:12:23 have one getting... We submitted to get ranked.
01:12:23 --> 01:12:26 So we'll see how that does this coming Tuesday.
01:12:26 --> 01:12:30 So maybe maybe a boy has some Number one roast
01:12:30 --> 01:12:35 in the world. We'll see And yeah, yeah, that's
01:12:35 --> 01:12:39 badass day Christ is Lord. Jesus loves you. I
01:12:39 --> 01:12:46 love you Check out sorry time on Instagram, we
01:12:46 --> 01:12:48 haven't posted an episode in like a year but
01:12:48 --> 01:12:51 Sorry Tom podcast? Yeah, it's mine in Isaac Kane
01:12:51 --> 01:12:54 Brown's podcast. Cool. Yeah, check out Sorry
01:12:54 --> 01:12:56 Tom, man. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate
01:12:56 --> 01:12:58 you coming on, brother. Thanks for having me.
01:12:58 --> 01:13:00 Glad we could do it. Yeah, I'm glad we can do
01:13:00 --> 01:13:02 it, especially, dude. And also, I just wanted
01:13:02 --> 01:13:04 to say thank you, on camera, by the way. I just
01:13:04 --> 01:13:08 wanted to say thank you for being patient with
01:13:08 --> 01:13:11 me. I know I had COVID and all that, but I really
01:13:11 --> 01:13:13 appreciate it. That's really cool of you. I always
01:13:13 --> 01:13:15 hate pushing people back like that, but. No,
01:13:15 --> 01:13:18 no, that's OK. It's OK. I know I'm not important.
01:13:18 --> 01:13:21 Yeah. No, no, I'm not going to make you record
01:13:21 --> 01:13:23 an episode during COVID. I also don't want your
01:13:23 --> 01:13:26 nasty cooties to infect me. You're infected.
01:13:27 --> 01:13:29 I'm not like not coring or anything right now.
01:13:29 --> 01:13:32 It doesn't really bother me at all. I'm just
01:13:32 --> 01:13:35 I'm happy. I'm honored you would have me. I don't
01:13:35 --> 01:13:37 get to do a lot of podcasts, so it's always nice
01:13:37 --> 01:13:40 to be able to come on and talk with a homie.
01:13:40 --> 01:13:41 Hell yeah, dude. Well, it was wonderful having
01:13:41 --> 01:13:43 you, man. Thank you so much for coming, dude.
01:13:43 --> 01:13:46 And that's it. That's it. That's a wrap. Adios.
01:13:46 --> 01:13:47 See you next week.