This episode marks the milestone for the first-ever freestyle rap. It’s almost like I’m becoming “Trey In The Morning." I wonder if Eminem would come talk comedy? 🤔 Anyway, Trevor Ray and I have a conversation that spans across many topics. I learn some things about hockey, Chicago to Austin (coincidence?), and the similarities between comedy and music. This was such a fun episode to make happen. Thank you so much for being on the show, Trevor! - Trey
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00:00:41 --> 00:00:43 All right, cool, cool, man. Hell yeah, dude.
00:00:43 --> 00:00:46 How you doing, man? I'm fucking great. How are
00:00:46 --> 00:00:49 you? Oh, good, dude. Happy to have you on, man.
00:00:49 --> 00:00:52 How's everything been? Bro, life's been awesome.
00:00:52 --> 00:00:54 I can't lie. I've been here for four months now,
00:00:54 --> 00:00:57 moving here from Chicago to Austin, 16 -hour
00:00:57 --> 00:01:01 drive. Chicago? Yes, sir. Jesus, dude, it gets
00:01:01 --> 00:01:04 cold up there, man. Dude, it's like, it's kind
00:01:04 --> 00:01:06 of ridiculous. We hit that negative 30 -degree
00:01:06 --> 00:01:11 threshold last year. Yeah? So Great Lakes, right?
00:01:11 --> 00:01:13 Or is that like? Oh, yeah, you got, yeah, yeah,
00:01:13 --> 00:01:15 Michigan rate rate going through the city. So,
00:01:15 --> 00:01:18 I mean, I love going to the state of Michigan,
00:01:18 --> 00:01:21 too. I like the state of Michigan side of New
00:01:21 --> 00:01:24 of the lake better than Chicago side of the lake.
00:01:25 --> 00:01:27 Yeah. Yeah, man. Oh, yeah. Last time I was up
00:01:27 --> 00:01:32 that way was back in 08 for basic. That's where
00:01:32 --> 00:01:34 the Navy basic training was. Oh, shit. Yeah.
00:01:34 --> 00:01:38 And so it was during December. So I never experienced
00:01:38 --> 00:01:39 this because I'm from Louisiana. So we don't
00:01:39 --> 00:01:43 have the, you know, the, the cold and my eyelids
00:01:43 --> 00:01:46 were like getting like, like frozen from like
00:01:46 --> 00:01:48 my tears. You ever experienced that or are you
00:01:48 --> 00:01:50 just good to go? I don't know. I was a hockey
00:01:50 --> 00:01:53 player. So like, oh no shit. Yeah. 14 years I
00:01:53 --> 00:01:56 played hockey. Dude. And so I don't really think
00:01:56 --> 00:01:58 like I got, it was bad like that. The one thing
00:01:58 --> 00:02:00 that really gets me is when the tips of your
00:02:00 --> 00:02:02 fingers or the tips of your toes are cold, there's
00:02:02 --> 00:02:06 no undoing it. Really? Yeah. Man, dude. That's
00:02:06 --> 00:02:08 crazy, man. I always wanted to play hockey. Yeah,
00:02:08 --> 00:02:11 I love it. Yeah, you love it? I think, unfortunately,
00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 I think I like it more than anything else. Yeah.
00:02:14 --> 00:02:16 That and music, it's right there. But it's just
00:02:16 --> 00:02:18 like, there's other things I'm good at that I
00:02:18 --> 00:02:20 like. I feel like if I liked as much as hockey,
00:02:20 --> 00:02:22 I would have gone farther. Yeah. Does that make
00:02:22 --> 00:02:25 sense? Man, it makes me want to know. I don't
00:02:25 --> 00:02:28 know if this question is going to come off kind
00:02:28 --> 00:02:31 of weird, but like, so like, what is a common
00:02:31 --> 00:02:34 misconception of hockey? That people just don't
00:02:34 --> 00:02:36 get right like every time you hear it. I think
00:02:36 --> 00:02:40 That it's that it's not the heart like I think
00:02:40 --> 00:02:43 it's the hardest sport like I think like that's
00:02:43 --> 00:02:45 that's what I think I think like a misconception
00:02:45 --> 00:02:47 is like You the hockey players aren't that good
00:02:47 --> 00:02:49 of athletes like because they're on skates like
00:02:49 --> 00:02:51 they're like, oh, it's like, you know what I
00:02:51 --> 00:02:53 mean? but I feel like hockey players are the
00:02:53 --> 00:02:56 most versatile athletes. Like I go to, like if
00:02:56 --> 00:02:58 I put my hockey team to like baseball, basketball,
00:02:58 --> 00:03:01 football, like just all of them, none of them
00:03:01 --> 00:03:03 would look out of place anywhere else. You know
00:03:03 --> 00:03:05 what I mean? But if you take a bunch of football
00:03:05 --> 00:03:07 players, basketball players, baseball players
00:03:07 --> 00:03:09 and put them on the ice, what percentage of them
00:03:09 --> 00:03:11 are going to look out of place? Even if they
00:03:11 --> 00:03:14 can skate, they're still going to be like clearly,
00:03:14 --> 00:03:18 you know, Yeah, man, that's it is insane. Do
00:03:18 --> 00:03:20 you like whenever I watch hockey? I think for
00:03:20 --> 00:03:22 like the first two I guess you call them quarters,
00:03:22 --> 00:03:25 right? Not periods periods for the like oh, oh,
00:03:25 --> 00:03:27 that's right. I don't know shit about hockey
00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 I'm just I'm just throwing it out there. But
00:03:29 --> 00:03:30 like but I think for like the first two I guess
00:03:30 --> 00:03:33 periods I'm like I'm watching it. I'm like dude
00:03:33 --> 00:03:38 where the fuck is the puck? I don't even know
00:03:38 --> 00:03:41 where it's at. That is fast. Yeah, it is fast
00:03:41 --> 00:03:43 So like as a player, how do you keep up with
00:03:43 --> 00:03:46 it? Well, I guess you get pattern recognition.
00:03:46 --> 00:03:50 Like it's like you are, you're coached more in
00:03:50 --> 00:03:52 the what is going to happen next ratio of hockey
00:03:52 --> 00:03:54 than you are actually in skill in most places,
00:03:55 --> 00:03:57 because every place does the same eight drills
00:03:57 --> 00:04:00 or 10 drills. So if you're doing the same things
00:04:00 --> 00:04:02 over and over again, you get really good at just
00:04:02 --> 00:04:03 that. The great players understand they have
00:04:03 --> 00:04:05 to play for so many different coaches in a lifetime
00:04:05 --> 00:04:07 because different coaches teach different things.
00:04:08 --> 00:04:11 Wow. Oh, dude, that's really interesting, man.
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 Like I said, I have no experience in it. I know
00:04:14 --> 00:04:16 that something crazy is Louisiana used to have
00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 a, or New Orleans used to have a hockey team.
00:04:19 --> 00:04:21 I don't know if they still do, but I was like,
00:04:21 --> 00:04:22 how are you gonna have a hockey team in a place
00:04:22 --> 00:04:26 with no ice, ever? But no, man, that's pretty
00:04:26 --> 00:04:29 fucking cool. How big of a part did hockey play
00:04:29 --> 00:04:31 in your life? You said you played 14 years? I
00:04:31 --> 00:04:34 think it changed everything about the character
00:04:34 --> 00:04:39 of who I am. Wow. That's profound. Yeah. I was
00:04:39 --> 00:04:46 like a class clown, little dickhead, that probably
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 had too good of a memory. So I would just remember,
00:04:49 --> 00:04:52 memorization tests in middle school, elementary
00:04:52 --> 00:04:54 school, whatever, bro, I was never studying,
00:04:54 --> 00:04:56 I would never do my homework, and I'd be like,
00:04:56 --> 00:04:59 what about I got 100 on the test? Who cares?
00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 You know what I mean? And then I would say, Also,
00:05:02 --> 00:05:04 I would just yell at the teacher like genuinely
00:05:04 --> 00:05:06 and like they'd be like they call my mom and
00:05:06 --> 00:05:09 they'd be like You're like he's out of turn and
00:05:09 --> 00:05:10 then whatever and then I'd be like, but mom I
00:05:10 --> 00:05:13 have straight A's like how can you be mad? Oh,
00:05:13 --> 00:05:15 wow. How can you be mad like? Oh, no, like I
00:05:15 --> 00:05:16 hadn't get kicked out of school. I'm not getting
00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 suspended Oh, no, I'm disrupting class every
00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 so often. Like what's the problem? Mm -hmm And
00:05:21 --> 00:05:23 then the second I've started playing hockey there
00:05:23 --> 00:05:26 was something that could be taken away. Oh You
00:05:26 --> 00:05:28 know like it was like I loved it so much. So
00:05:28 --> 00:05:31 my mom was like if you Fuck up in school, you're
00:05:31 --> 00:05:33 not gonna play hockey anymore And the second
00:05:33 --> 00:05:36 that became a thing, instant change in character,
00:05:36 --> 00:05:38 instant. Like it was like, yeah, I'm like, all
00:05:38 --> 00:05:39 right, now I'm just going to mind my business.
00:05:39 --> 00:05:42 Maybe I make one joke per class. Oh, OK. And
00:05:42 --> 00:05:44 I was like super limiting. And I was like, bro,
00:05:44 --> 00:05:46 I'll never push the threshold ever again. Because
00:05:46 --> 00:05:49 it's like, I need this. I know how lucky I was
00:05:49 --> 00:05:52 to be able to have my parents to be in a financial
00:05:52 --> 00:05:54 position to allow me to play hockey. So I know
00:05:54 --> 00:05:56 how, like, I understood that at a young age.
00:05:57 --> 00:05:59 Wow. Damn, dude, that's pretty awesome. Do you
00:05:59 --> 00:06:03 have a favorite hockey movie or something? Probably
00:06:03 --> 00:06:07 goon goon is good man. Yeah Sean is that Sean
00:06:07 --> 00:06:09 William Scott? Yeah. Yeah, it's a good movie.
00:06:09 --> 00:06:11 That is a good movie I'm not a bit. I'll tell
00:06:11 --> 00:06:13 you the most overrated hockey movie of all time
00:06:13 --> 00:06:16 though. What's that? Slapshot that shit is so
00:06:16 --> 00:06:19 mad. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen Slapshot
00:06:19 --> 00:06:22 in a long time now Yeah, my dad hyped it up like
00:06:22 --> 00:06:24 because it's a rated -R movie like it was like
00:06:24 --> 00:06:26 this shit that I had to see when I'm older right
00:06:26 --> 00:06:29 and I was like bro like Just let me see it. It
00:06:29 --> 00:06:31 can't be that crazy. Like it can't be that much
00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 worse than then goon. You know what I mean? I'm
00:06:33 --> 00:06:35 like, let's be real and he's like no not like
00:06:35 --> 00:06:38 this is a real rated -r movie like it's a real
00:06:38 --> 00:06:40 and I saw I was always like, oh my god I got
00:06:40 --> 00:06:42 to see this and then I took a flight to North
00:06:42 --> 00:06:44 Carolina to go play and actually in a basketball
00:06:44 --> 00:06:47 camp Oh, wow, and I'm on the flight watching
00:06:47 --> 00:06:50 a slap shot. Like this is the moment and it was
00:06:50 --> 00:06:52 so not good I was on entertained like 50 minutes
00:06:52 --> 00:06:54 in and I was like Like I kept on waiting like
00:06:54 --> 00:06:56 giving it the benefit of doubt like oh the good
00:06:56 --> 00:06:59 parts gonna come like it's like Whatever my dad
00:06:59 --> 00:07:00 is like because my dad and I see the world in
00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 a really similar way So you feel like usually
00:07:02 --> 00:07:05 I take his opinion pretty highly. I'm like this
00:07:05 --> 00:07:11 shit's probably fire and I Think my favorite
00:07:11 --> 00:07:14 I think my favorite hockey movie aside from like
00:07:14 --> 00:07:16 the Mighty Ducks or something like that, you
00:07:16 --> 00:07:19 know would probably be a miracle So good. Okay.
00:07:19 --> 00:07:21 You do like that one? So good. I've been begging
00:07:21 --> 00:07:23 my friend to let me put them on because people
00:07:23 --> 00:07:25 are like, you want to play a hockey movie? Of
00:07:25 --> 00:07:29 course you do. I'm like, it's not about hockey,
00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 bro. No. Miracle is like one of those ones. Dude,
00:07:32 --> 00:07:34 I'm so happy that you say that, especially like
00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 being an experienced hockey player. Cause my
00:07:37 --> 00:07:39 girlfriend, I've been trying to tell her, I'm
00:07:39 --> 00:07:41 like, dude, you've just got to watch Miracle.
00:07:41 --> 00:07:44 There's so much more to it. than hockey. I was
00:07:44 --> 00:07:46 like, dude, you got the Cold War going on. We're
00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 fighting the Soviets. And these are like the
00:07:48 --> 00:07:51 last like collegiate all -stars that we had,
00:07:51 --> 00:07:53 you know? And oh my gosh, it's such a fucking
00:07:53 --> 00:07:55 amazing movie. You know what makes me like that
00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 movie so much? What's that? For me, like, I always
00:07:58 --> 00:08:00 say this. I've said this a lot of time on my
00:08:00 --> 00:08:04 show. I look at life like a coach. because that's
00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 at my core what I am. I want to be a hockey coach.
00:08:06 --> 00:08:07 I want to be a basketball coach. I want to coach
00:08:07 --> 00:08:11 a sport, like anything. Like if my son says he's
00:08:11 --> 00:08:12 playing football, I'm going to try to coach the
00:08:12 --> 00:08:14 special teams. Like I want to be in a position
00:08:14 --> 00:08:18 where I could coach something. I love it. And
00:08:18 --> 00:08:25 the coaching clinic that was put on, I can't
00:08:25 --> 00:08:26 remember his name right now, but by the head
00:08:26 --> 00:08:30 coach of Team USA in Miracle is one of the most
00:08:30 --> 00:08:32 beautiful displays in the history of any movie.
00:08:33 --> 00:08:37 Alright, I know again Again, like oh my god when
00:08:37 --> 00:08:39 he walks in the locker room when the guys got
00:08:39 --> 00:08:41 his arm fucked up He's like what the fuck you've
00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 got your pads off for Right. He's like, we still
00:08:44 --> 00:08:46 play. He's like, are you a hockey player? Yeah.
00:08:46 --> 00:08:48 He said, you're not no fucking hockey player.
00:08:48 --> 00:08:50 And he just walked, the dude just freaks out.
00:08:50 --> 00:08:52 He's like, I'll play without my arm. And he's
00:08:52 --> 00:08:54 like, that'll get him riled up. That'll get him
00:08:54 --> 00:08:56 riled up. I was like, yeah. I know, dude. That
00:08:56 --> 00:08:58 shit, just like that alone gets you riled up
00:08:58 --> 00:09:00 because you're like, oh man, this is fucking,
00:09:00 --> 00:09:02 like, dude, this is bad ass. Then you get that
00:09:02 --> 00:09:04 whole slang of like, I'd run through a wall for
00:09:04 --> 00:09:07 that guy. You finally understand. Yeah. Herb,
00:09:07 --> 00:09:08 I think his name was Herb. I think you're right.
00:09:08 --> 00:09:10 Yeah. Something else. I heard something. He looks
00:09:10 --> 00:09:14 like, He looks like this old Bruins player that
00:09:14 --> 00:09:16 like was retired, but he's it's not him But he
00:09:16 --> 00:09:17 looks kind of like him. I can't remember his
00:09:17 --> 00:09:19 name right now either. I'm I don't know I'm blinking
00:09:19 --> 00:09:22 but yeah, you look Johnny Busek, maybe I don't
00:09:22 --> 00:09:24 know he looks just like the guy and I'm like,
00:09:24 --> 00:09:25 bro It's kind of fun like funny cuz it's not
00:09:25 --> 00:09:29 him. Yeah, I saw there's also a documentary on
00:09:29 --> 00:09:31 Netflix about that team Yeah, and everything
00:09:31 --> 00:09:33 and the documentary is just as fucking good It's
00:09:33 --> 00:09:35 like it just it gets you fired up, you know,
00:09:36 --> 00:09:40 and I wouldn't say that I am a hockey fan because
00:09:40 --> 00:09:42 I don't know anything about hockey, but there
00:09:42 --> 00:09:46 is something about just, like just about it.
00:09:46 --> 00:09:47 You know what I mean? That's just, it just seems
00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 pretty fucking bad. I just think it's respected.
00:09:50 --> 00:09:52 Respected. Okay. Yeah. I just don't think anybody
00:09:52 --> 00:09:55 thinks hockey is easy. Like there's nobody that's
00:09:55 --> 00:09:57 like, dude, they're just skating 30 mile an hour
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 and blocking a rubber puck off their body. Oh
00:10:00 --> 00:10:02 no. Like, no, right. Even saying it out loud,
00:10:02 --> 00:10:05 you're like, that sounds. Difficult then you
00:10:05 --> 00:10:08 get fucking hit exactly, you know, I saw a picture
00:10:08 --> 00:10:10 once I've liked I guess it was like the 1800s
00:10:10 --> 00:10:12 or something like that But they showed like hockey
00:10:12 --> 00:10:13 players from back then when they played with
00:10:13 --> 00:10:16 like no masks No pads and they were like all
00:10:16 --> 00:10:19 scarred and fucked up. I was like, bro. Holy
00:10:19 --> 00:10:22 shit, man Well, I worked at a rink for years
00:10:22 --> 00:10:25 too. Oh really right drove the Zamboni you drove
00:10:25 --> 00:10:30 the Zamboni Best job ever, I'm not gonna lie.
00:10:30 --> 00:10:32 Highly recommend. Yeah, just like super slow.
00:10:33 --> 00:10:36 Yeah, you listen to music or podcast. Hell yeah,
00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 dude. Yeah, that was chillin', bro. I'm not gonna
00:10:38 --> 00:10:41 lie, like, I think of any job I've ever worked,
00:10:41 --> 00:10:44 that's still my favorite job. Sure. Because I
00:10:44 --> 00:10:46 was making decent money, like I was making like,
00:10:46 --> 00:10:48 I don't know, like $18 an hour, $17 .50 or something,
00:10:48 --> 00:10:52 but I was literally working for 30 minutes out
00:10:52 --> 00:10:54 of every hour, or 20 minutes out of every hour.
00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 Yeah, so I do like 10 minutes of cutting 10 minutes
00:10:57 --> 00:11:01 of shoveling and Then I'd be off the clock for
00:11:01 --> 00:11:03 40 minutes, but getting paid and then just waiting
00:11:03 --> 00:11:06 for my timer to go off Oh, wow, man. That's cool.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:14 Literally But definitely it made it a lot easier
00:11:14 --> 00:11:16 to run music like because I was always writing
00:11:16 --> 00:11:19 I had so much time Yeah, and that's also you're
00:11:19 --> 00:11:21 saying right that you write music and everything.
00:11:21 --> 00:11:24 What kind of music do you write? But I'd be rapping
00:11:24 --> 00:11:26 but I'm trying to really expand I'm trying to
00:11:26 --> 00:11:28 be able to make like anything the problem is
00:11:28 --> 00:11:33 I can't sing Okay, like I don't think I'm the
00:11:33 --> 00:11:35 worst singer in the world, but I definitely don't
00:11:35 --> 00:11:38 think I'm like a Reason you listen to a song
00:11:38 --> 00:11:40 is because of my voice I think I'm pretty good
00:11:40 --> 00:11:42 at writing lyrics pretty good at writing for
00:11:42 --> 00:11:44 like different types like types of styles Mm
00:11:44 --> 00:11:46 -hmm. I just made a song recently that should
00:11:46 --> 00:11:50 be coming out soon That I wrote the whole song,
00:11:50 --> 00:11:53 but it's with a feature So I wrote his verse,
00:11:53 --> 00:11:55 I wrote my verse, and him and I both sing on
00:11:55 --> 00:11:59 the hook. And to hear that come to life, because
00:11:59 --> 00:12:01 I feel like I used him kind of like an instrument,
00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 you know what I mean? I'm like, I know his voice
00:12:04 --> 00:12:06 can carry this in a different way than I can.
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 So I can write it to that thought process, instead
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 of writing from like, I'm going to make this
00:12:11 --> 00:12:15 hard bar here. I'm making an instrument in the
00:12:15 --> 00:12:18 song, basically. Oh, yeah. Man, that's cool,
00:12:18 --> 00:12:21 dude. How long have you been like? Into like
00:12:21 --> 00:12:23 music and rap and things like that. So I got
00:12:23 --> 00:12:24 into it late, but I've been doing it for about
00:12:24 --> 00:12:28 eight years now I uh, I didn't start listening
00:12:28 --> 00:12:30 to hip -hop music at all until I was a junior
00:12:30 --> 00:12:33 in high school Because my dad instilled in me
00:12:33 --> 00:12:35 at a young age that music isn't music if it was
00:12:35 --> 00:12:38 played with if it isn't played with real instruments
00:12:38 --> 00:12:41 Oh, really? Yeah, like he was like I'm like,
00:12:41 --> 00:12:43 uh, he was always like a hippie band type of
00:12:43 --> 00:12:46 guy like that. Okay, grateful dad and fish So
00:12:46 --> 00:12:48 he was like I was about to say fish. I love fish
00:12:48 --> 00:12:50 fish goes hard. Sure. Yeah, they do Yeah, so
00:12:50 --> 00:12:52 I grew up jamming fish. I would be like playing
00:12:52 --> 00:12:54 kill double falls at nine You know what? I mean,
00:12:54 --> 00:12:58 like that was that was my shit. Yeah, um joy
00:12:58 --> 00:13:00 ocelot Shout out to fish fish goes hard. Yeah.
00:13:00 --> 00:13:06 Oh, yeah fish but uh But uh, I don't know I think
00:13:06 --> 00:13:09 that when I met this kid and I'll actually Say
00:13:09 --> 00:13:12 his name. I think he's got a big reason for why.
00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 I mean, I'm not friends with him anymore, but
00:13:14 --> 00:13:18 Chris Hoiner. Like, I met him at the academy
00:13:18 --> 00:13:21 I went to in high school. And he was like a goofy
00:13:21 --> 00:13:23 -ass kid walking around telling everybody he's
00:13:23 --> 00:13:26 a rapper, and he made hyperpop. Hyperpop. And
00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 that's a crazy genre of music. Like, the amount
00:13:28 --> 00:13:30 of editing and engineering. I have so much, like...
00:13:30 --> 00:13:34 Let me write that down. Hyperpop. Hyperpop, yeah,
00:13:34 --> 00:13:36 I've never even heard of that. Yeah, you've definitely
00:13:36 --> 00:13:39 heard this style before and didn't know that
00:13:39 --> 00:13:41 that's what it was called. But it's like, it's
00:13:41 --> 00:13:42 not like, I don't even know how to compare it
00:13:42 --> 00:13:45 to a rapper, but it's like, imagine if you took
00:13:45 --> 00:13:49 Lil Uzi another step farther down the like, what's
00:13:49 --> 00:13:51 the word for like alternative? Like you make
00:13:51 --> 00:13:54 Lil Uzi more alternative, you get hyperpop. But
00:13:54 --> 00:13:56 he's like still rapping, if he wasn't rapping
00:13:56 --> 00:13:59 and it was just like. You know a little faster.
00:13:59 --> 00:14:02 I guess like that's basically hyper pop interesting
00:14:02 --> 00:14:04 because it's like auto -tune exaggerated voice
00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 vocals with like sound effects and shit It's
00:14:06 --> 00:14:09 like video game music is hyper pop I'd guess
00:14:09 --> 00:14:11 yeah, okay. Yeah, that's really interesting,
00:14:11 --> 00:14:16 but he was big on like Like actually going in
00:14:16 --> 00:14:19 the studio, and then I was like holy shit I could
00:14:19 --> 00:14:21 take a class where they just teach me how to
00:14:21 --> 00:14:23 work studio equipment like that's dope mm -hmm
00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 So I was like in there, and then they were like
00:14:25 --> 00:14:26 yo, bro You ever try to write your own shit,
00:14:26 --> 00:14:29 and I'm like No? What are you talking about?
00:14:29 --> 00:14:32 He's like, bro, you gotta try that shit. So we
00:14:32 --> 00:14:34 would freestyle, and I would say the wildest,
00:14:34 --> 00:14:37 like, dogshit bars. But like, I was saying shit
00:14:37 --> 00:14:38 I can't repeat on the show. Like, I was just
00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 saying wild shit. Like, joking with your friends,
00:14:41 --> 00:14:45 you know? Like, just talking shit. And everybody
00:14:45 --> 00:14:47 was like, you know, I fell in love with it, and
00:14:47 --> 00:14:49 it went from just, like, trading bars of, like,
00:14:49 --> 00:14:51 all of us sucking to, like, eventually me, like,
00:14:51 --> 00:14:54 gaining, like, getting good at it. And it was
00:14:54 --> 00:14:57 like... I'm doing a show for everybody else now.
00:14:57 --> 00:15:00 It's not like we're passing it around. And then
00:15:00 --> 00:15:02 I was like, holy shit, I'm actually decent at
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 this. This isn't just something we're doing when
00:15:05 --> 00:15:07 we're high. I'm actually like... Yeah, you're
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 enjoying this and everything. Yeah, I'm like,
00:15:09 --> 00:15:13 this is the only thing I'm doing now. I used
00:15:13 --> 00:15:15 to work at a pizza place. I'd be delivering pizzas
00:15:15 --> 00:15:17 and I'd have my group chat that I made during
00:15:17 --> 00:15:22 COVID on FaceTime doing freestyle ciphers over
00:15:22 --> 00:15:24 the internet. And people that lived all across
00:15:24 --> 00:15:25 the country. That's what this group raw creatives
00:15:25 --> 00:15:29 here is I bro literally all this shit started
00:15:29 --> 00:15:33 from you boat Omegle FaceTime audio calls like
00:15:33 --> 00:15:36 just join a discord and you join up and you'd
00:15:36 --> 00:15:37 be like yo, where y 'all at? Oh, dude. I'm at
00:15:37 --> 00:15:40 work right now, but shit I'll spit a 16. I'll
00:15:40 --> 00:15:44 spit a 16 I bet play a beat play a beat motherfucker
00:15:44 --> 00:15:46 puts a beat on he hits him with a little he's
00:15:46 --> 00:15:48 rapping shit You pick it up. You throw it back.
00:15:48 --> 00:15:50 You roast each other. Maybe like you talk shit.
00:15:51 --> 00:15:53 Yeah, it was like Bro, COVID was like the coolest
00:15:53 --> 00:15:55 shit that ever happened to me because I didn't
00:15:55 --> 00:15:58 stop living my life. Yeah. Oh yeah. You were
00:15:58 --> 00:16:01 just in it, bro. Yeah. You're awesome. You're
00:16:01 --> 00:16:04 in your world there. And then I, I used to have
00:16:04 --> 00:16:07 this super big arrogance about like everything
00:16:07 --> 00:16:09 has to be a freestyle. I have to be like, dude,
00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 like you got to talk like, yeah, you thought
00:16:11 --> 00:16:13 the song was hard, right? Dude, I spit that in
00:16:13 --> 00:16:17 one take, you know, I wanted that extra validation
00:16:17 --> 00:16:20 of like, yeah, dude, like that happened, man.
00:16:20 --> 00:16:23 You know, Then I was like, bro, if you come up
00:16:23 --> 00:16:26 to someone and say, Hey, I wrote this song. Yeah.
00:16:26 --> 00:16:29 Or if you say I freestyled the song and it's
00:16:29 --> 00:16:31 good, you're going to get the same reaction.
00:16:31 --> 00:16:34 Yeah. You really are. Is it hard to freestyle
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 like that? No. Well, depending on who the person
00:16:37 --> 00:16:40 is, rhyming is not a hard thing to do. Coming
00:16:40 --> 00:16:41 up with creative bars is not a hard thing to
00:16:41 --> 00:16:45 do. Breath control and consistency and lack of
00:16:45 --> 00:16:48 fear is hard to accomplish. Because people are
00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 so afraid to be bad. They don't ever start being
00:16:50 --> 00:16:54 average. Oh Hey, man, that's a good little quote.
00:16:54 --> 00:16:56 I like that. Yeah. Yeah, dude Well, actually,
00:16:56 --> 00:16:59 you know, we do have a beat for you if you'd
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 like to throw down man I could definitely spit
00:17:01 --> 00:17:03 some shit for you right now. Yeah, let's see.
00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 Let's see, man Alright, cool. I think what kind
00:17:06 --> 00:17:08 of beat we got today. Yeah, dude So this is a
00:17:08 --> 00:17:11 I just got this off of a like it's just like
00:17:11 --> 00:17:13 a rap beat that you can get like I think I got
00:17:13 --> 00:17:15 it off of like Pixabay, okay, I think so it's
00:17:15 --> 00:17:17 like a free like kind of thing and of course
00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 I'm gonna cite the guy that wrote it and everything
00:17:19 --> 00:17:21 like that But I think it's just like just a smooth
00:17:21 --> 00:17:23 just regular beat I think it's about like so
00:17:23 --> 00:17:25 to my understanding you made the beat. You're
00:17:25 --> 00:17:33 an engineer. Let's work. No Yeah, yeah, let's
00:17:33 --> 00:17:37 do it. All right, cool, then here you go, let's
00:17:37 --> 00:17:45 go Here for a minute, all the brain can't finish
00:17:45 --> 00:17:48 LA talking fitness, I'm like Jerry's Get a boy
00:17:48 --> 00:17:50 acquitted, known I'm gifted, never miss Told
00:17:50 --> 00:17:52 a shawty sipping gin, I told a shawty Now you
00:17:52 --> 00:17:54 look me in my eyes like evil twin Like what's
00:17:54 --> 00:17:57 the word, throw a noun in verb Show you I'm superb,
00:17:57 --> 00:17:59 it's off the brain Just a wife with spasms now
00:17:59 --> 00:18:02 just from the verbs In Chicago, in my city, now
00:18:02 --> 00:18:04 I'm powerful like Austin Fuck around, I'm crissin'
00:18:04 --> 00:18:06 crossin' Yeah, yo bitch is bad from Boston, ain't
00:18:06 --> 00:18:09 no cream Chop up on me, I'm a pull -up and a
00:18:09 --> 00:18:11 lead I can't even fuck around and try to grant
00:18:11 --> 00:18:14 your wish for free Hit it from the back, I hit
00:18:14 --> 00:18:16 like dirty D's You hit the mat, your shawty bad,
00:18:17 --> 00:18:19 I like him round and never flat You wanna play,
00:18:19 --> 00:18:21 get the cat, I get the kitten No submissive,
00:18:21 --> 00:18:23 name is Trevor, on a mission All these balls
00:18:23 --> 00:18:25 is my audition, ain't suspicious Fuck with me
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 like unlike juries, been acquitted No ain't missing,
00:18:28 --> 00:18:30 ball like Kobe Motherfucker, boy I'm different,
00:18:30 --> 00:18:33 I'm the GOAT Look at me gon' float, Muhammad,
00:18:33 --> 00:18:35 call me Ali Told a bitch still come and call
00:18:35 --> 00:18:37 me Now you Austin, call her Ali, I don't need
00:18:37 --> 00:18:40 to lie Bitches dropping bombs like kamikaze Fuck
00:18:40 --> 00:18:42 around, I'm sorry, pick your arm up tight this
00:18:42 --> 00:18:44 guy a nazi playing with the game the fire spitting
00:18:44 --> 00:18:47 i'ma catch a flame no we ain't the fucking same
00:18:47 --> 00:18:49 i'm durant but it take the game to back it on
00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 it i'm a sniper i'ma call it easy money playing
00:18:52 --> 00:18:54 with your shawty going beezy at a boy go dummy
00:18:54 --> 00:18:57 get to rapping need a mummy fuck around this
00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 kind of human i'm the best and i can prove it
00:18:59 --> 00:19:02 lucifer i'm laughing lucid off the top now i
00:19:02 --> 00:19:04 run around you want the swerves hey yo bad lil
00:19:04 --> 00:19:06 bitch gon hit my line she always on my nerves
00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 she love her curves hit it once or twice and
00:19:08 --> 00:19:11 then i give her up like battle buttercup to chop
00:19:11 --> 00:19:13 up I'm the hip to run it up, I've had enough
00:19:13 --> 00:19:15 Poker player in my eyes, I call you bluffin'
00:19:15 --> 00:19:17 Huff and puff, you lone wolfin', not that guy,
00:19:17 --> 00:19:20 I need a puff Smoke Sativa, smoke gas, fuck around,
00:19:20 --> 00:19:23 I'm runnin' fast I don't give a fuck, I'm sorry,
00:19:23 --> 00:19:25 finish first and never last I'm the man to never
00:19:25 --> 00:19:27 play it, fuck around, the chopper's prayin' I
00:19:27 --> 00:19:30 don't give a fuck, I'm sorry, while you all prayin'
00:19:30 --> 00:19:32 to Satan I'm a god, no facade, it's off the brain,
00:19:32 --> 00:19:34 you move divine It's off the brain, I got some
00:19:34 --> 00:19:37 courage, I'ma say it with my spine Heaven sent,
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 bad little bitch Maleficent, this anger I've
00:19:39 --> 00:19:41 been testin' it The future ain't corrected shit
00:19:41 --> 00:19:44 Fuck around deceptionist I don't even need to
00:19:44 --> 00:19:46 lie I might just fuck receptionist And then it's
00:19:46 --> 00:19:49 on the phone I'm really in a different zone Cali
00:19:49 --> 00:19:51 to the east Told lil shawty I'm a beast It's
00:19:51 --> 00:19:53 off the brain I kill the shit I know the boy
00:19:53 --> 00:19:55 ain't been deceased I might just rap for fucking
00:19:55 --> 00:19:58 hours I fuck a wet up in the shower I get too
00:19:58 --> 00:19:59 tall just like a tower I smoke some Tiva love
00:19:59 --> 00:20:02 some sour What's the word? Fuck around I'll start
00:20:02 --> 00:20:04 creating Like I'm Phineas You'll flow delirious
00:20:04 --> 00:20:07 You think you better than me Boy ain't serious
00:20:07 --> 00:20:09 It's off the brain Now I saw the flow insane
00:20:09 --> 00:20:11 I might as well just take this mic and fuck around
00:20:11 --> 00:20:13 and change the game Now I'm hot, fuck around,
00:20:14 --> 00:20:16 I'm sorry, stirring up the pot It's funny cause
00:20:16 --> 00:20:18 when I was 14 I was out here selling pot What's
00:20:18 --> 00:20:21 the word? Fuck with me, I'm sorry, now I really
00:20:21 --> 00:20:23 kill it I been cooking steak and eggs, I put
00:20:23 --> 00:20:26 that pressure on a skillet I get fired, no desire,
00:20:26 --> 00:20:28 call the goofies like a liar Fuck around, I'm
00:20:28 --> 00:20:31 sorry baby, bout what I did in my prior I ain't
00:20:31 --> 00:20:33 talking past life, yo bitches bad I smash her
00:20:33 --> 00:20:36 Fuck around, I'm sorry, Donna Cupid, call a dancer
00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 I need an answer like AI but you can't No, no
00:20:39 --> 00:20:41 practice fuck around. I'm sorry, baby. Kill this
00:20:41 --> 00:20:53 whole beat with some malice Man dude fucking
00:20:53 --> 00:20:55 right. Holy shit I was just gonna like let it
00:20:55 --> 00:20:57 play for like a minute thinking you were gonna
00:20:57 --> 00:20:59 like not I ain't never gonna stop. That's fucking
00:20:59 --> 00:21:02 crazy. Yeah, that's pretty good, dude Actually
00:21:02 --> 00:21:04 like fucking like there was a good flow to it.
00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 The beginning was whack, but it's our I caught
00:21:06 --> 00:21:12 it in the middle That's gonna be fun to fucking
00:21:12 --> 00:21:15 fuck around with that's That's what I do, bro.
00:21:15 --> 00:21:17 That's what you could just keep going with that
00:21:17 --> 00:21:19 Yeah, it's one of those things I'm gonna be honest
00:21:19 --> 00:21:21 with you like I did it kind of to prove a point
00:21:21 --> 00:21:23 like that beat is not anything special You know
00:21:23 --> 00:21:25 what I mean? Like if I have a crazier beat the
00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 cadences and allowance I'm allowed to grow like
00:21:28 --> 00:21:30 it's a art. That's the freestyling is art Yeah,
00:21:30 --> 00:21:33 and I've been doing a lot of arguing with people
00:21:33 --> 00:21:34 recently because all these artists that show
00:21:34 --> 00:21:37 up in the industry that fake freestyle Like they'll
00:21:37 --> 00:21:39 play something that was written. So one thing
00:21:39 --> 00:21:41 that was very important for me is I wanted to
00:21:41 --> 00:21:44 A, never have heard the beat. B, I didn't want
00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 to walk in here and spit some shit that other
00:21:46 --> 00:21:48 people heard me say. But it's almost impossible.
00:21:48 --> 00:21:51 You rap for fucking hours. Sometimes you say
00:21:51 --> 00:21:54 some shit that's similar to something else or
00:21:54 --> 00:21:58 whatever. So I try hard not to repeat, but it's
00:21:58 --> 00:22:00 not possible. So people are like, oh, you're
00:22:00 --> 00:22:02 not freestyling. I'm like, bro, you don't understand.
00:22:02 --> 00:22:05 I just spit. 500 bars like yeah, you don't think
00:22:05 --> 00:22:08 none of that Yeah, it's dude. I would honestly
00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 had respect if you would have stopped like in
00:22:10 --> 00:22:11 the middle and just been like all right That's
00:22:11 --> 00:22:13 it isn't all right cool Yeah, I was still fucking
00:22:13 --> 00:22:14 awesome, but like the fact that you like rode
00:22:14 --> 00:22:16 the whole damn beat. I was like dude Yeah, I
00:22:16 --> 00:22:18 got to finish the beat. Yeah, I was like I was
00:22:18 --> 00:22:20 like shit I didn't know if you're not gonna wrap
00:22:20 --> 00:22:23 with me. I'm taking the beat. Yeah, man That's
00:22:23 --> 00:22:26 fucking cool, dude. Like so that's just that's
00:22:26 --> 00:22:28 just your art That's just where you like so do
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 you do you sit at home and just kind of like
00:22:30 --> 00:22:33 right? Like no, so this is brother. I'm really
00:22:33 --> 00:22:36 trying to get here in comedy too, but in this
00:22:36 --> 00:22:37 weird way I've done it for so long It's like
00:22:37 --> 00:22:40 that 10 hour thing where it's like something
00:22:40 --> 00:22:42 will come to me and I know it's a hit and I'm
00:22:42 --> 00:22:44 like, okay I just have to get this on paper because
00:22:44 --> 00:22:47 I will forget I'll forget I'll forget everything
00:22:47 --> 00:22:49 I just said I'll be like that is so good I won't
00:22:49 --> 00:22:51 forget it and then I'll forget it and I'm like
00:22:51 --> 00:22:53 bro, like why don't I just write that shit down
00:22:53 --> 00:22:55 and I kind of have a new philosophy I've been
00:22:55 --> 00:22:57 trying to adopt and it's if I'm trying to memorize
00:22:57 --> 00:23:00 a flow Like, if I'm trying to memorize a song
00:23:00 --> 00:23:02 to go to the studio and get it recorded, and
00:23:02 --> 00:23:05 I can't, it's not worth going to the studio with.
00:23:05 --> 00:23:07 Gotcha. Like, if I'm literally spitting that
00:23:07 --> 00:23:10 shit over and over again, and it's my fucking
00:23:10 --> 00:23:12 lyrics, and I can't remember it, how the fuck
00:23:12 --> 00:23:15 are you? Yeah. How are you going to be like,
00:23:15 --> 00:23:16 yo, that shit is so tough, I remember it. If
00:23:16 --> 00:23:19 the person who wrote it can't even be like...
00:23:19 --> 00:23:21 Yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah, I feel that, dude.
00:23:21 --> 00:23:24 So, maybe it's, like, too perfectionist, but,
00:23:24 --> 00:23:28 like, I write at least 10 songs a month. I don't
00:23:28 --> 00:23:30 write all the time. I freestyle more than I write.
00:23:31 --> 00:23:33 But I sit and write a full 10 songs a month,
00:23:33 --> 00:23:35 I would say. Yeah, but it's just in there. You're
00:23:35 --> 00:23:37 just going over it over and over and over again.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:42 So I heard on your podcast, which is Raw Controversy.
00:23:42 --> 00:23:44 Yes. So Trevor's podcast, Raw Controversy. Go
00:23:44 --> 00:23:46 check it out. So I heard on your podcast, you
00:23:46 --> 00:23:50 talked about the correlation between comedy...
00:23:51 --> 00:23:53 and rap. Yeah. And so I was going to ask you
00:23:53 --> 00:23:55 to get into that because I thought that was really
00:23:55 --> 00:23:58 cool, man. Like, so the connection between music
00:23:58 --> 00:24:00 and comedy, like how do you make that? I'd say
00:24:00 --> 00:24:03 that the OK, so I got both the biggest differences
00:24:03 --> 00:24:07 and the biggest similarities. So the biggest
00:24:07 --> 00:24:10 differences is that I found is in comedy, you
00:24:10 --> 00:24:13 want nobody to ever know your next move. You
00:24:13 --> 00:24:16 don't want what's being said next to be predictable.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:19 music you almost want it to be predictable you
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 want people after their third listen to know
00:24:21 --> 00:24:23 exactly what you're gonna say because they want
00:24:23 --> 00:24:26 to sing the song like it sounds obvious but it's
00:24:26 --> 00:24:28 like right you know like that's the that's how
00:24:28 --> 00:24:31 my brain computed it and then also a similarity
00:24:31 --> 00:24:36 is if You look like you messed up. That's the
00:24:36 --> 00:24:38 only way the people know you messed up Right
00:24:38 --> 00:24:40 you know I mean like yeah music no one's like
00:24:40 --> 00:24:42 dude that guy fucked that up unless he's like
00:24:42 --> 00:24:46 fuck I fucked this shit or Apologize yeah, but
00:24:46 --> 00:24:48 in comedy. It's kind of the same way I literally
00:24:48 --> 00:24:51 watched bro shout out angel Diaz bro. I had angel
00:24:51 --> 00:24:54 Diaz on my podcast recently angel Diaz I had
00:24:54 --> 00:24:57 him and he I saw him do a set in our bar and
00:24:57 --> 00:25:01 to my thought process he was like Not bombing,
00:25:01 --> 00:25:03 but he like kept stuttering through jokes, and
00:25:03 --> 00:25:05 then he kept like He'd be like I'm not funny.
00:25:05 --> 00:25:06 I'm not funny like I'm moving on whatever like
00:25:06 --> 00:25:09 you know like stuttering and like crowd working
00:25:09 --> 00:25:12 Yeah, I thought it was um like he was fucking
00:25:12 --> 00:25:14 up, and it was still funny like he was recovering
00:25:14 --> 00:25:16 But he told me that's a whole thing he works
00:25:16 --> 00:25:19 on at open mics But he's just trying to get people
00:25:19 --> 00:25:21 to laugh at his awkwardness Yeah, and he was
00:25:21 --> 00:25:23 telling me a whole bunch of other set lines.
00:25:23 --> 00:25:27 He does with that and I'm like oh Shit like that
00:25:27 --> 00:25:29 was like that's so cool to me. You know like
00:25:29 --> 00:25:32 right I didn't know that but if I did maybe I
00:25:32 --> 00:25:34 wouldn't have thought it was funny Right right
00:25:34 --> 00:25:36 right exactly. Yeah, it's almost like a magic
00:25:36 --> 00:25:41 trick. Yeah in a way and then the Those are like
00:25:41 --> 00:25:43 the things that I feel like are opposite completely
00:25:43 --> 00:25:47 not the same mm -hmm similar. I think that um
00:25:47 --> 00:25:50 Cadence is like the most important thing in both
00:25:50 --> 00:25:55 right yeah, yeah, so it's almost like broke I'm
00:25:55 --> 00:25:56 trying to remember I don't remember who told
00:25:56 --> 00:25:58 me this but Ari Matty has like the best cadence
00:25:58 --> 00:26:01 Because like he literally tell you when to laugh
00:26:01 --> 00:26:05 right? Yeah, you can see it, like you can hear
00:26:05 --> 00:26:07 it and see it and everything like that. I agree,
00:26:07 --> 00:26:09 I've actually touched base on that a little bit.
00:26:09 --> 00:26:12 I'm a musician as well, and I've kind of spoken
00:26:12 --> 00:26:15 about how when I write jokes, it's almost like
00:26:15 --> 00:26:17 I'm writing lyrics, like there's a beat to it.
00:26:17 --> 00:26:20 Absolutely. You know, there's like a flow. I
00:26:20 --> 00:26:23 guess the thing I'm trying to work on the most
00:26:23 --> 00:26:25 in comedy is kind of trying to get rid of that
00:26:25 --> 00:26:29 a little bit, like not... Look at comedy like
00:26:29 --> 00:26:31 a performance. Although it is I want it to be
00:26:31 --> 00:26:35 more of like a like a funny conversation a Funny
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 conversation like I'm talking shit and like I'm
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 saying jokes that are written material, but I
00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 want to them it be like I'm talking shit. We're
00:26:42 --> 00:26:45 just having fun Yeah, so I was actually gonna
00:26:45 --> 00:26:47 be my next question to you and you're sort of
00:26:47 --> 00:26:48 answering it But I'm gonna go ahead and ask it
00:26:48 --> 00:26:50 anyway was I was gonna be like do you think that?
00:26:51 --> 00:26:54 That having them the mentality of writing comedy
00:26:54 --> 00:26:58 almost like music. Do you think that that's like
00:26:58 --> 00:27:01 helpful or destructive? I think most things are
00:27:01 --> 00:27:06 both. I think different people have different
00:27:06 --> 00:27:08 ways of understanding things that are definitely
00:27:08 --> 00:27:11 a good benefit to what, like that separates you
00:27:11 --> 00:27:13 from other people. Like I have, like I was saying
00:27:13 --> 00:27:16 earlier, like I can be super efficient in the
00:27:16 --> 00:27:17 way I get something done, but it might not be
00:27:17 --> 00:27:21 the best version of that, you know? But it's
00:27:21 --> 00:27:23 still effective for a lot of things. It's super
00:27:23 --> 00:27:25 effective to be super efficient in a lot of parts
00:27:25 --> 00:27:27 of life. Yeah, but it's also super effective
00:27:27 --> 00:27:29 to be like at the highest level at something.
00:27:29 --> 00:27:33 Yeah, you know, so I Think um for the rap shit.
00:27:33 --> 00:27:36 It's like yeah, I I have no fear on stage Like
00:27:36 --> 00:27:39 I've never like I don't care like it's so fun.
00:27:39 --> 00:27:41 Like I'm just having I'm being me. I'm having
00:27:41 --> 00:27:44 a good time Yeah, so I there's no such thing
00:27:44 --> 00:27:46 as a bad set to me because even if I bomb I'm
00:27:46 --> 00:27:51 gonna tell the story later like I'm not gonna
00:27:51 --> 00:27:54 be like Like no like I'm just gonna be like bright.
00:27:55 --> 00:27:57 Yeah, it doesn't eat you up. Yeah, it didn't
00:27:57 --> 00:28:00 work Yeah, so when you go up and you know when
00:28:00 --> 00:28:03 you go up on stage Do you find that to do comedy
00:28:03 --> 00:28:06 that you're not as like I guess are you still
00:28:06 --> 00:28:09 as fearless? I'm more fearless because comedy
00:28:09 --> 00:28:11 I feel like you're supposed to be like more wild
00:28:11 --> 00:28:13 you're supposed to push the boundary so like
00:28:13 --> 00:28:17 and also like I for my own What for worse or
00:28:17 --> 00:28:19 for better? I'm not really afraid of people like
00:28:19 --> 00:28:21 you know I mean like yeah, I'm just like You
00:28:21 --> 00:28:22 just get up there, you just do your thing. Yeah,
00:28:22 --> 00:28:24 and like what's gonna happen? Like most of the
00:28:24 --> 00:28:26 time I'm friends with 80 % of the room. Like,
00:28:26 --> 00:28:28 you know what I mean? Like, oh no, like, you
00:28:28 --> 00:28:30 know? Yeah. So like, I don't know, I just talk
00:28:30 --> 00:28:32 shit, see what works, though it doesn't. I'm
00:28:32 --> 00:28:34 really throwing like shit at the wall and seeing
00:28:34 --> 00:28:37 what sticks right now. Yeah, have you performed
00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 in front of people who are not your friend? Yeah.
00:28:39 --> 00:28:42 Yeah, and how did that go? I had good nights.
00:28:42 --> 00:28:45 You had good nights? I think I just can't, I
00:28:45 --> 00:28:47 don't have control of flow state in comedy yet.
00:28:47 --> 00:28:50 Music I could fucking like you saw like I'm stuttering
00:28:50 --> 00:28:52 at the beginning and then it's like it's there.
00:28:52 --> 00:28:55 It's not it's not gone like it stays Yeah, how
00:28:55 --> 00:28:57 many I feel like I'm writing jokes on this like
00:28:57 --> 00:28:59 I'm gonna tell you the joke like this and I'm
00:28:59 --> 00:29:01 gonna make you laugh Versus like I just need
00:29:01 --> 00:29:05 to be like You know just like you know, I'm uh,
00:29:05 --> 00:29:08 I'm trying to like Fuck the joke. I'm trying
00:29:08 --> 00:29:11 to instead of make love to it Okay, interesting.
00:29:11 --> 00:29:15 Yeah, I like that You're like dude. I'm trying
00:29:15 --> 00:29:17 to fucking impregnate this motherfucker. I'm
00:29:17 --> 00:29:19 trying to yeah I'm trying to go balls deep in
00:29:19 --> 00:29:24 this joke right now. Yeah, exactly So what enticed
00:29:24 --> 00:29:28 you to do comedy in the first place? In all honesty,
00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 I felt like it was unfair for me to interview
00:29:31 --> 00:29:34 comedians Without having some experience doing
00:29:34 --> 00:29:37 it Okay, so you started interviewing comedians
00:29:37 --> 00:29:39 before? Same time literally the same time like
00:29:39 --> 00:29:42 the first week I had my first episode of the
00:29:42 --> 00:29:43 podcast that I interviewed a comedian was like
00:29:43 --> 00:29:47 my sixth or fifth week in comedy So like I had
00:29:47 --> 00:29:49 been so this was weird so I started a discord
00:29:49 --> 00:29:55 in 2020 for this is relevant. I promise I started
00:29:55 --> 00:29:59 a discord in 2020 to have freestylers join There's
00:29:59 --> 00:30:01 like 300 members in there free to join people
00:30:01 --> 00:30:04 just join up and join in freestyle Now the only
00:30:04 --> 00:30:06 thing I use it for is UFC events, but at the
00:30:06 --> 00:30:08 time it was for freestyling But you can only
00:30:08 --> 00:30:10 freestyle for so long until y 'all are out of
00:30:10 --> 00:30:12 bars tired and trying to talk about something
00:30:12 --> 00:30:15 else, you know So eventually it just be like
00:30:15 --> 00:30:17 us talking shit But all these people became like
00:30:17 --> 00:30:19 my best friends like I'd see them more than my
00:30:19 --> 00:30:22 mom like because we're lit It's COVID like there's
00:30:22 --> 00:30:24 nothing to do. Yeah, so we're just locked in
00:30:24 --> 00:30:26 our whole lives as our conversation getting to
00:30:26 --> 00:30:28 know these people better than we know our best
00:30:28 --> 00:30:30 friends in real life because We have no fear
00:30:31 --> 00:30:33 If I say something embarrassing you might fucking
00:30:33 --> 00:30:35 make fun of me here if I and I can't like or
00:30:35 --> 00:30:38 if someone gets mad They could hit you you know
00:30:38 --> 00:30:40 over the internet, bro. There's no consequences
00:30:40 --> 00:30:43 So not only if you do want to choose to like
00:30:43 --> 00:30:45 somebody you are gonna stay because there's no
00:30:45 --> 00:30:47 consequences But also it gives you the opportunity
00:30:47 --> 00:30:48 to create something great because there's no
00:30:48 --> 00:30:52 vulnerability Okay Interesting. Yeah, that's
00:30:52 --> 00:30:53 a pretty that's an interesting perspective. There's
00:30:53 --> 00:30:56 no vulnerability. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's
00:30:56 --> 00:30:59 really interesting So when um, so get into that
00:30:59 --> 00:31:01 more like how does that like do you think it's
00:31:01 --> 00:31:03 a no vulnerability is like, you know an inhibitor
00:31:03 --> 00:31:08 so I think um It's a balance because I truly
00:31:08 --> 00:31:10 believe in order to achieve anything great. You
00:31:10 --> 00:31:13 need to allow yourself to be vulnerable Yes,
00:31:13 --> 00:31:18 because I think that if you avoid conflict Conflict
00:31:18 --> 00:31:22 still happens, right? So you have to learn how
00:31:22 --> 00:31:25 to understand who you are and your abilities
00:31:25 --> 00:31:31 to escape conflict and operate in conflict rather
00:31:31 --> 00:31:35 than just trying to suppress all conflict, if
00:31:35 --> 00:31:37 that makes sense. Because life is going to throw
00:31:37 --> 00:31:41 curve balls at you, you know? It's like anything.
00:31:41 --> 00:31:43 It's saving money. It's the same idea. It's like,
00:31:43 --> 00:31:45 bro, you could be saving for this or that, but
00:31:45 --> 00:31:46 then all of a sudden you fucking crash your car.
00:31:46 --> 00:31:49 Bro like then what you know I mean like you need
00:31:49 --> 00:31:51 to have like a backup plan of okay This is my
00:31:51 --> 00:31:53 money saved for like a rainy day literally like
00:31:53 --> 00:31:56 some fucked up shit happens This is where I can
00:31:56 --> 00:31:58 allocate whatever I'm saving for that's for me.
00:31:58 --> 00:32:00 You know whatever Yeah, you know and that's how
00:32:00 --> 00:32:03 I look at a lot of things in life, but I fucking
00:32:03 --> 00:32:07 I just fully ADHDed by uh we're talking about
00:32:07 --> 00:32:11 how the discord became comedy So we'd be sitting
00:32:11 --> 00:32:14 on the calls doing freestyling It would end and
00:32:14 --> 00:32:16 then we'd end up just shooting the shit and we're
00:32:16 --> 00:32:18 all best friends So anything goes you know and
00:32:18 --> 00:32:21 we're just and we were killed Tony fans So we'd
00:32:21 --> 00:32:22 write bits from this like we'd have nights where
00:32:22 --> 00:32:25 like something was so iconic that was said it
00:32:25 --> 00:32:27 would be written in like the fucking discord
00:32:27 --> 00:32:29 chat like we'd literally have it like Saved as
00:32:29 --> 00:32:32 like a channel page like whatever like the one
00:32:32 --> 00:32:33 thing that was really common for us. We'd all
00:32:33 --> 00:32:35 call each other Ricky Ricky Yeah, like it was
00:32:35 --> 00:32:37 just like like in a place where a black dude
00:32:37 --> 00:32:40 would say the n -word. We just say Ricky Okay,
00:32:40 --> 00:32:42 and like it was just like a you look at them
00:32:42 --> 00:32:45 like a really like it'd be like Ricky You know
00:32:45 --> 00:32:48 what I'm saying like right and it became like
00:32:48 --> 00:32:50 a whole thing but like then we had like whole
00:32:50 --> 00:32:53 like Bullshit jokes that we'd write and all these
00:32:53 --> 00:32:54 and some of these people have still to this day
00:32:54 --> 00:32:57 never done comedy and they have Minutes of content
00:32:57 --> 00:32:59 that they've just where they're just hilarious.
00:32:59 --> 00:33:01 Yeah, and they just don't do shit And I'm like,
00:33:01 --> 00:33:04 bro, fuck you. Come do some shit with me, bro.
00:33:04 --> 00:33:06 I'm not saying I'm the greatest ever, but I'm
00:33:06 --> 00:33:08 saying, bro, you've got something. You could
00:33:08 --> 00:33:10 get some laughs. Let's go fuck around and find
00:33:10 --> 00:33:13 out. Yeah. Was comedy the whole reason why you
00:33:13 --> 00:33:17 left Chicago and came to Austin? I'm going to
00:33:17 --> 00:33:20 be very careful how I answer that. OK. I think
00:33:20 --> 00:33:25 I left Chicago because I had to. OK. I think
00:33:25 --> 00:33:28 as an artist in any rain, it's very hard to make
00:33:28 --> 00:33:30 it in your own city. Everybody tries to tend
00:33:30 --> 00:33:35 to claim you after you get big, but they weren't
00:33:35 --> 00:33:38 showing love before. So you didn't do any comedy
00:33:38 --> 00:33:42 in Chicago? No, I didn't do any comedy. I just
00:33:42 --> 00:33:45 did the virtual Mike Nights. So I wrote for a
00:33:45 --> 00:33:48 really long time, and I was doing these jokes.
00:33:48 --> 00:33:51 I had reps, but it wasn't on a stage. But to
00:33:51 --> 00:33:54 me, I've had so much stage time in music, that
00:33:54 --> 00:33:56 was never a transition period. Like when I'm
00:33:56 --> 00:33:58 on stage, I'm the same person. You just got up
00:33:58 --> 00:34:00 on stage and just started spinning, right? Yep.
00:34:00 --> 00:34:02 Yeah, did you have any written material when
00:34:02 --> 00:34:05 you first got up on stage? A lot. A lot? Oh,
00:34:05 --> 00:34:06 okay, great. That's what I was saying. Like,
00:34:06 --> 00:34:09 I wrote from those nights before I got into comedy.
00:34:09 --> 00:34:11 Okay, now I understand. Yeah. Okay, all right,
00:34:11 --> 00:34:12 yeah. So you have all this stuff written and
00:34:12 --> 00:34:14 everything, and when you finally went up there,
00:34:14 --> 00:34:17 you were fearless and everything. You get up
00:34:17 --> 00:34:19 and then, like, what was it? Like, was it like...
00:34:19 --> 00:34:22 So the first day I ever did, I made the mistake
00:34:22 --> 00:34:24 of thinking Shakespeare's was like the spot to
00:34:24 --> 00:34:27 fucking, like, do open my side, right? Why is
00:34:27 --> 00:34:29 that a mistake? It's not necessarily a mistake.
00:34:29 --> 00:34:31 It was just the time I went. I just went at like
00:34:31 --> 00:34:32 a weird show. There wasn't that many people.
00:34:32 --> 00:34:34 Oh, okay. I think it was actually after Kill
00:34:34 --> 00:34:37 Tony. Oh, yeah, the suicide mic. Yeah, and there
00:34:37 --> 00:34:39 was like four people in the state, in the audience
00:34:39 --> 00:34:41 and like... Yeah, every now and again, I guess.
00:34:41 --> 00:34:43 I was like, all right. And then like, I couldn't
00:34:43 --> 00:34:45 tell if the joke wasn't funny, obviously, because
00:34:45 --> 00:34:47 there was four people and three of them weren't
00:34:47 --> 00:34:50 paying attention. So I was like, I don't know
00:34:50 --> 00:34:53 if this joke was bad or if this joke is not.
00:34:53 --> 00:34:54 So then I started going to a bunch of different
00:34:54 --> 00:34:57 places and doing the same joke. And then I realized
00:34:57 --> 00:34:59 the joke wasn't funny. But it wasn't because
00:34:59 --> 00:35:01 I was bombing, it was because it's just like
00:35:01 --> 00:35:03 I have good energy on stage. So I wasn't losing
00:35:03 --> 00:35:05 the crowd, it's just I wasn't getting the big
00:35:05 --> 00:35:07 laughs I thought I was gonna get. So I was like,
00:35:08 --> 00:35:10 okay, why? And I kind of was able to break down
00:35:10 --> 00:35:12 why I think. I think the original joke I wrote
00:35:12 --> 00:35:15 was way too personal. Like it was too much about
00:35:15 --> 00:35:17 someone in my life that makes the story funny.
00:35:18 --> 00:35:22 But then it's impossible to, no matter how good
00:35:22 --> 00:35:24 of a storyteller I am, for you to know that person.
00:35:25 --> 00:35:28 Well, did you have a sort of like inspiration,
00:35:29 --> 00:35:32 like a comedic inspiration? Yeah, yeah. Who?
00:35:32 --> 00:35:36 Andrew Schultz. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's great. Oh
00:35:36 --> 00:35:39 my gosh. So many stuff. So many stuff. He's so
00:35:39 --> 00:35:42 good. My favorite Andrew Schultz, I won't say
00:35:42 --> 00:35:45 it's my favorite bit, but the reason I like him
00:35:45 --> 00:35:51 so much, he's very good at misdirection. And
00:35:51 --> 00:35:54 he's also good at callbacks because the whole
00:35:54 --> 00:35:56 line of bits all add up to something like it's
00:35:56 --> 00:35:59 like you know what I mean like yeah, like his
00:35:59 --> 00:36:01 special was inspired because it all happened
00:36:01 --> 00:36:03 and then obviously there's exaggerated moments
00:36:03 --> 00:36:06 of like did that really go like that you know
00:36:06 --> 00:36:10 where it's like yeah of knowing that guy shit
00:36:10 --> 00:36:13 Like some of those moments could actually happen
00:36:13 --> 00:36:17 um but yeah, then he had a podcast too Yeah,
00:36:17 --> 00:36:20 and yeah his podcast is successful I mean, fuck,
00:36:20 --> 00:36:22 he had the president on his podcast. Yeah, he's
00:36:22 --> 00:36:24 a, no, he's great. I love his pyramids joke.
00:36:25 --> 00:36:27 Like his pyramids joke, I think - The Mexicans
00:36:27 --> 00:36:28 built the pyramids? Yeah, you're not going to
00:36:28 --> 00:36:31 question that. You know, I was like, man, I was
00:36:31 --> 00:36:32 like, when I first heard that, I was like, that's
00:36:32 --> 00:36:35 a great joke. You know what I mean? And just
00:36:35 --> 00:36:37 like, you know, a lot of the stuff you can find
00:36:37 --> 00:36:39 out there right now, but yeah, he was awesome.
00:36:40 --> 00:36:42 So did you, did you find that you emulated his
00:36:42 --> 00:36:44 like writing style in any way, or did you just
00:36:44 --> 00:36:46 sort of like do your own thing? I just tried
00:36:46 --> 00:36:48 to be, I guess what I took from Andrew Schultz
00:36:48 --> 00:36:51 is Unpredictable and wild unpredictable and wild
00:36:51 --> 00:36:54 not necessarily like structure. Okay. What did
00:36:54 --> 00:36:57 that look like? Unpredictable and wild. I don't
00:36:57 --> 00:36:58 know. I would just say something that like pushes
00:36:58 --> 00:37:02 the boundary like I was like black people named
00:37:02 --> 00:37:10 their children by playing Scrabble Like the whole
00:37:10 --> 00:37:13 explanation of that like okay, and like why okay,
00:37:13 --> 00:37:19 and it was funny you just just Unpredictable
00:37:19 --> 00:37:21 and wild it's like one of those like I asked
00:37:21 --> 00:37:25 Yeah, but yeah, but it's not unnecessarily not
00:37:25 --> 00:37:27 true like you see the yeah, I see that I see
00:37:27 --> 00:37:29 the connection Yeah, I see I see where you're
00:37:29 --> 00:37:31 going with it. Yeah and everything I don't I
00:37:31 --> 00:37:33 mean I don't think I've heard that before I don't
00:37:33 --> 00:37:34 think I've I don't think I've heard that either
00:37:34 --> 00:37:37 and my whole thing is like and I don't think
00:37:37 --> 00:37:38 this is my thing I think it's something that
00:37:38 --> 00:37:41 I kind of learned, but I'm sure I heard this
00:37:41 --> 00:37:42 somewhere But as long as it's funnier than it
00:37:42 --> 00:37:45 is offensive Absolutely. That's like, that's
00:37:45 --> 00:37:47 sort of like, that's sort of the thing. I feel
00:37:47 --> 00:37:52 the exact same way about, um, like, like talking
00:37:52 --> 00:37:55 to girls. Like, you can say anything if it works.
00:37:56 --> 00:37:57 You can say anything if it works. Yeah, like
00:37:57 --> 00:38:01 literally, literally, like it's like, fuck. Yeah,
00:38:01 --> 00:38:03 it's true though. Yeah, really true. It is kind
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06 of true Especially like, you know, I gotta have
00:38:06 --> 00:38:08 my jokes for like, you know, like stage and I
00:38:08 --> 00:38:10 gotta have my jokes for the girls You know, oh
00:38:10 --> 00:38:12 like I'm working on this concept right now for
00:38:12 --> 00:38:14 a bit. It's definitely not a bit right now Yeah,
00:38:14 --> 00:38:16 but it's like bro. My mom's Jewish So I have
00:38:16 --> 00:38:18 the ability to make self -deprecating Jew jokes
00:38:18 --> 00:38:20 and get away with anything. So I'm like, yeah,
00:38:20 --> 00:38:24 so I'm like, alright, uh I was like my family's
00:38:24 --> 00:38:26 reformed Jews. I was I don't know if you guys
00:38:26 --> 00:38:28 know what that is Basically, they're just bitch
00:38:28 --> 00:38:31 Jews. They're not really all the way there. I'm
00:38:31 --> 00:38:33 like, guys, just look at me. I'm six foot three.
00:38:34 --> 00:38:37 I've never, I've pleasured a woman one time.
00:38:38 --> 00:38:43 I left a 40 % tip on a tab twice. You know what
00:38:43 --> 00:38:45 I mean? I just feel like you could just... I
00:38:45 --> 00:38:47 don't know like I feel like it could build something
00:38:47 --> 00:38:49 funny. I don't know. Yeah, my circumcision was
00:38:49 --> 00:38:52 a five scan We didn't even bury that shit in
00:38:52 --> 00:39:00 the front yard right keep it on me I Mean all
00:39:00 --> 00:39:02 that is is good though and I guess like I'm going
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04 off of like what you're talking about about like
00:39:04 --> 00:39:07 how you felt like you got like too personal,
00:39:07 --> 00:39:10 you know? I feel like sometimes like, and I'm
00:39:10 --> 00:39:13 a person who, I did this, where I started off
00:39:13 --> 00:39:15 comedy not personal in any way, shape or form.
00:39:16 --> 00:39:18 Like I was just like, I'm just gonna tell just
00:39:18 --> 00:39:21 - A wild joke. Just a wild joke and stuff. And
00:39:21 --> 00:39:24 so I'm kind of learning to get more personal,
00:39:24 --> 00:39:27 you know? And so I guess like, what kind of lessons
00:39:27 --> 00:39:30 have you learned since starting comedy? So one
00:39:30 --> 00:39:34 thing is I've learned is I feel like riffing,
00:39:34 --> 00:39:37 is very important, but I'd rather, I don't like
00:39:37 --> 00:39:40 riffing after you run out of material. I like
00:39:40 --> 00:39:44 putting the riffing into the material. If that
00:39:44 --> 00:39:48 makes sense. Just personally as a pet peeve,
00:39:48 --> 00:39:50 I hate when you could clearly tell that the fucking,
00:39:51 --> 00:39:54 the repetitive joke that you tell every time.
00:39:54 --> 00:39:56 Turned off like it's like they just turned off
00:39:56 --> 00:40:00 a recorded and then went to live TV like that's
00:40:00 --> 00:40:03 just Happened like they tell the joke and it's
00:40:03 --> 00:40:04 like let me put the fries in the bag because
00:40:04 --> 00:40:06 they do the same fucking joke in the Same way
00:40:06 --> 00:40:08 every single time and then they get to their
00:40:08 --> 00:40:11 okay. Well now it's time to riff What do you
00:40:11 --> 00:40:15 do for a living like bro like you know like if
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18 I'm gonna riff I I try to like make it about
00:40:18 --> 00:40:21 me Then the crowd like in relation or something
00:40:21 --> 00:40:24 like that And then like I go into like okay this
00:40:24 --> 00:40:26 reaction that they gave gave me an into this
00:40:26 --> 00:40:29 joke Yeah, then I'll do this joke and then I'll
00:40:29 --> 00:40:32 do that joke and then I'm like I Was gonna try
00:40:32 --> 00:40:33 this joke today And then I'll go into the one
00:40:33 --> 00:40:35 that I actually wanted to work on when I get
00:40:35 --> 00:40:37 stuck like when I don't know what else to do
00:40:37 --> 00:40:40 Right. I go to the one that's like, okay I've
00:40:40 --> 00:40:41 done this joke 50 different ways 50 different
00:40:41 --> 00:40:43 times, but I just want to keep working on it
00:40:43 --> 00:40:46 So then I'm comfortable because I know that jokes
00:40:46 --> 00:40:47 a minute and a half let's say I have two and
00:40:47 --> 00:40:49 a half minutes left, I could do that joke, and
00:40:49 --> 00:40:52 then either go into something else because of
00:40:52 --> 00:40:55 the crowd's reaction to that joke, or just be
00:40:55 --> 00:40:57 like, hey, thank you for your host, and then
00:40:57 --> 00:40:58 you have a good set, and you didn't, you know
00:40:58 --> 00:41:00 what I mean? Yeah, I think that's a good lesson,
00:41:01 --> 00:41:03 because I started, back when I did, started doing
00:41:03 --> 00:41:08 the crowd work bullshit. I would do the whole,
00:41:08 --> 00:41:09 like, what's your name, you know, what's your
00:41:09 --> 00:41:12 job, and then try to, and then I'm like, oh,
00:41:12 --> 00:41:14 fuck it. Like, now what I do is I'll just look
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16 out into the crowd and see if there's anybody
00:41:16 --> 00:41:19 that just has something that I identify with
00:41:19 --> 00:41:22 that I can just not pick on, but just sort of,
00:41:22 --> 00:41:24 I can, you know, I can work with that. Yeah,
00:41:24 --> 00:41:26 I do think it's okay, though, to ask questions
00:41:26 --> 00:41:29 as a comic. I just think the problem is it's
00:41:29 --> 00:41:32 the way you do it. Like, you can't be so clear
00:41:32 --> 00:41:34 that that was, like, I'm out of written material,
00:41:34 --> 00:41:37 like, this is next, you know what I mean? Like,
00:41:37 --> 00:41:39 if you're like, do it like, bro, like, Timmy
00:41:39 --> 00:41:42 Nobrick's set from Kill Tony, his second episode,
00:41:42 --> 00:41:45 or third episode, he was like, he's like, what
00:41:45 --> 00:41:48 do you do? I'm a student not what I'm looking
00:41:48 --> 00:41:51 for for this sushi. Yeah. Yeah, that's so good.
00:41:51 --> 00:41:53 Like it's like so good Yeah, yeah, like and how
00:41:53 --> 00:41:55 he was like, yeah, I'm looking for a setup for
00:41:55 --> 00:41:58 this air Airport sushi restaurant joke. I'm trying
00:41:58 --> 00:42:01 to find my way to this joke. That's just yeah
00:42:01 --> 00:42:03 funny that that is man That's great. And that
00:42:03 --> 00:42:05 takes like a special kind of talent. Yeah, you
00:42:05 --> 00:42:08 know to like Everybody can have their thing.
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10 It doesn't need to be that saying you need some
00:42:10 --> 00:42:15 type of Comfort in just doing it right, you know
00:42:15 --> 00:42:18 and like Don't know some people fucking do push
00:42:18 --> 00:42:21 -ups some people spin in a circle some people
00:42:21 --> 00:42:23 smoke a cigarette some people There's something
00:42:23 --> 00:42:26 to like pregame ritually. That's like okay. Mm
00:42:26 --> 00:42:29 -hmm. I was Trevor Ray now. I'm RC prodigy gotcha
00:42:29 --> 00:42:32 right I was I'm on stage. This is who I'm being
00:42:32 --> 00:42:34 right now the problem. I have sometimes is turning
00:42:34 --> 00:42:37 it off Okay, so which one do you have a problem
00:42:37 --> 00:42:40 turning off like what I'm from the state comedy
00:42:40 --> 00:42:42 version of me the comedy version is okay sometimes
00:42:42 --> 00:42:46 like Comedy is funny to people that can't be
00:42:46 --> 00:42:47 offended, but it can be mean to somebody that
00:42:47 --> 00:42:52 can be. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. And unfortunately,
00:42:52 --> 00:42:54 people don't see the world the way that they
00:42:54 --> 00:42:56 should. And I'm just going to say that arrogantly.
00:42:56 --> 00:42:59 It's just like we can't all be at each other's
00:42:59 --> 00:43:01 throats all the time. Everybody's got shit going
00:43:01 --> 00:43:03 on. Everybody needs grace. At the end of the
00:43:03 --> 00:43:07 day, most people aren't looking to negatively
00:43:07 --> 00:43:10 affect you. Yeah. Most of the time. Yeah, there's
00:43:10 --> 00:43:12 sometimes someone that's actually malicious.
00:43:12 --> 00:43:14 But let's be real. Right. How often do you deal
00:43:14 --> 00:43:17 with that person? Yeah. Yeah. Most of the time
00:43:17 --> 00:43:19 people don't give a fuck about you. It's not
00:43:19 --> 00:43:20 that they don't hate you. It's not that they
00:43:20 --> 00:43:23 all love you. They don't care. Yeah. So if you
00:43:23 --> 00:43:25 start realizing that, you're just gonna have
00:43:25 --> 00:43:27 so much gratitude for the people you do have
00:43:27 --> 00:43:29 in your life that do care about you because you're
00:43:29 --> 00:43:32 like, oh shit, why would I spend life hating
00:43:32 --> 00:43:33 this person, that person? None of them give a
00:43:33 --> 00:43:37 fuck about me. Right. And then, okay, cool. These
00:43:37 --> 00:43:39 six people really do. Five people, three people,
00:43:39 --> 00:43:41 even if it's one person. It's like, okay, I'm
00:43:41 --> 00:43:44 gonna have so much gratitude because this person
00:43:44 --> 00:43:48 was willing to be there for me in equivalence
00:43:48 --> 00:43:51 to me being there for them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
00:43:51 --> 00:43:53 I mean, I totally see that. And, you know, a
00:43:53 --> 00:43:56 lot of times it's like, you know, people actually
00:43:56 --> 00:43:59 this kind of fitting. But Keegan, when he was
00:43:59 --> 00:44:00 on, he said like, you know, like people take
00:44:00 --> 00:44:03 comedy too seriously. Absolutely. And I felt
00:44:03 --> 00:44:05 like, you know, like it was just a quick thing
00:44:05 --> 00:44:07 that he said. But I really like hung on to that
00:44:07 --> 00:44:09 because I was like, yeah, that's very true. It's
00:44:09 --> 00:44:11 like people people don't realize that all they're
00:44:11 --> 00:44:13 trying to do is just make you laugh. They're
00:44:13 --> 00:44:16 just trying to make you feel good. That's it.
00:44:16 --> 00:44:20 I think it's time. I got to let it out the box,
00:44:20 --> 00:44:22 the wild conspiracy theory of the episode here.
00:44:23 --> 00:44:25 But this is where my head's been at for the last
00:44:25 --> 00:44:28 couple weeks. Sure. What is it? I think that
00:44:28 --> 00:44:31 politics doesn't exist anymore. Maybe it did
00:44:31 --> 00:44:35 at some point. But I think that today, the same
00:44:35 --> 00:44:37 people, and this is common knowledge, the same
00:44:37 --> 00:44:40 people that fund the left, fund the right for
00:44:40 --> 00:44:43 the presidential election. So to me, that's just
00:44:43 --> 00:44:45 right there is enough evidence to be like, so
00:44:45 --> 00:44:47 you don't know who the people are that are in
00:44:47 --> 00:44:50 charge, right? But a post that I made that kind
00:44:50 --> 00:44:52 of sums up everything that I'm about to say is
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55 like, if I was the king of a country, I wouldn't
00:44:55 --> 00:44:57 tell anybody I was the king of that country.
00:44:58 --> 00:45:01 Because if I told the people, I would face scrutiny
00:45:01 --> 00:45:04 for the things that I do incorrectly. Where if
00:45:04 --> 00:45:07 you can allow You over here my friend, you're
00:45:07 --> 00:45:09 the fucking king of the country fucking we'll
00:45:09 --> 00:45:11 call him Andrew. Andrew's the king of the country
00:45:11 --> 00:45:14 All right, yeah fucking Andrew's the king, but
00:45:14 --> 00:45:16 I make all the mistakes and all the decisions
00:45:16 --> 00:45:18 Yeah, Andrew gets crucified. Everyone's like
00:45:18 --> 00:45:20 fuck you Andrew like you're a piece of shit this
00:45:20 --> 00:45:22 and that but he still gets to claim power He
00:45:22 --> 00:45:25 still gets paid. He still gets to be in power.
00:45:25 --> 00:45:28 But truthfully he is nothing other than a title
00:45:29 --> 00:45:32 And I think that's basically how our governments
00:45:32 --> 00:45:34 run. I think there's a lot of people that have
00:45:34 --> 00:45:36 been doing the same things for years and a lot
00:45:36 --> 00:45:38 of the things that happen in politics are predetermined.
00:45:38 --> 00:45:41 Not everything. Obviously some shit is just wild
00:45:41 --> 00:45:44 that just happens. But I think a lot of things
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46 are like, we're gonna fuck this part of the law
00:45:46 --> 00:45:49 up to see how these people react. Because the
00:45:49 --> 00:45:50 goal is never to make the country better. The
00:45:50 --> 00:45:56 goal is to keep people distracted. And if everybody
00:45:56 --> 00:45:59 hates each other, There's never anybody on two
00:45:59 --> 00:46:03 sides. There's always people on five. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:03 --> 00:46:05 I think I see where you're talking. You know?
00:46:05 --> 00:46:08 Yeah. Creating the division kind of like, you
00:46:08 --> 00:46:11 know, keeps us weaker. Well, why was there a
00:46:11 --> 00:46:14 revolution? A revolution. Like because of slavery,
00:46:15 --> 00:46:17 right? And the reason that that could happen
00:46:17 --> 00:46:19 is because there was something so controversial.
00:46:19 --> 00:46:23 that it divided us into two sides. So the goal
00:46:23 --> 00:46:26 of politics now is no longer to make it two sides,
00:46:26 --> 00:46:31 it's to make it five. So these people... LGBTQ
00:46:31 --> 00:46:33 people have beef with this race, and this race
00:46:33 --> 00:46:36 has beef with this race, and this and that, and
00:46:36 --> 00:46:39 poor people and rich people, and fucking blue
00:46:39 --> 00:46:42 collar, and business owners, and bro, it's just
00:46:42 --> 00:46:44 like, you know what I mean? Everybody's gotta
00:46:44 --> 00:46:48 have a category, Jewish, religion, you know what
00:46:48 --> 00:46:52 I mean, whatever. So if you have eight categories
00:46:52 --> 00:46:55 now that every person could oppose to you, and
00:46:55 --> 00:46:57 if they oppose too many of your categories, you
00:46:57 --> 00:47:00 condemn that person, There's nobody left. There's
00:47:00 --> 00:47:03 nobody on your side Yeah, so the truth is is
00:47:03 --> 00:47:05 we could never have a revolution because every
00:47:05 --> 00:47:08 there'd be 30 sides It would be just anarchy
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10 would just be every man for themselves. It wouldn't
00:47:10 --> 00:47:13 be the red team and the blue team Yeah, because
00:47:13 --> 00:47:15 eventually everybody's gonna figure out that
00:47:15 --> 00:47:18 they disagree on something, you know, so and
00:47:18 --> 00:47:20 it's like that but that's a I think that perspective
00:47:20 --> 00:47:24 and disagreement I think that is something that
00:47:24 --> 00:47:27 people just need to accept in my personal opinion,
00:47:27 --> 00:47:29 you know, is that like, you know, just Except
00:47:29 --> 00:47:31 that we're not gonna agree. Yeah, we're just
00:47:31 --> 00:47:33 we're just not gonna agree You know, but the
00:47:33 --> 00:47:36 fact that we don't agree is a bad thing. It's
00:47:36 --> 00:47:38 like yeah, it's not a bad thing It's okay if
00:47:38 --> 00:47:40 you have your own belief. Yeah, it's okay It's
00:47:40 --> 00:47:43 like but what what the people seem to do is that
00:47:43 --> 00:47:46 they disagree and then they think that you need
00:47:46 --> 00:47:48 to agree And that's where it becomes a problem,
00:47:49 --> 00:47:50 you know, it's like but yeah, I see what you're
00:47:50 --> 00:47:52 saying I see what you're saying I think that
00:47:52 --> 00:47:54 you know, like there needs to be like some kind
00:47:54 --> 00:47:58 of like unity amongst us If you're going to admit
00:47:58 --> 00:48:01 something can be done purposefully, you almost
00:48:01 --> 00:48:04 have to admit or at least consider that everything
00:48:04 --> 00:48:07 can be. Yeah. Yeah. You know? So. Yeah. And I
00:48:07 --> 00:48:10 wish it was like that, honestly, in comedy. I
00:48:10 --> 00:48:12 really wish people would just understand that.
00:48:12 --> 00:48:14 It's like these are just a bunch of jesters who
00:48:14 --> 00:48:16 are just trying to entertain you. Make you laugh,
00:48:16 --> 00:48:17 man. Yeah, they're just trying to make you laugh.
00:48:17 --> 00:48:20 It's nothing more than that. It's nothing. There's
00:48:20 --> 00:48:22 no craziness. There's no ulterior motive. It
00:48:22 --> 00:48:27 is also fascinating when you see, like, You're
00:48:27 --> 00:48:30 not funny off like bro like people are like this
00:48:30 --> 00:48:32 motherfucker like he had he got this spot here
00:48:32 --> 00:48:35 And he like didn't even do a good like Yeah,
00:48:35 --> 00:48:37 you're telling me you've never bombed before
00:48:37 --> 00:48:39 like you do comedy. You've never bought like
00:48:39 --> 00:48:41 bro. What are you talking about? Yeah, even if
00:48:41 --> 00:48:44 you don't think it's like music I'm gonna make
00:48:44 --> 00:48:48 this point. I think um Music and comedy should
00:48:48 --> 00:48:52 be treated like paintings right if you go to
00:48:52 --> 00:48:54 if you go to a museum And you see Michelangelo
00:48:54 --> 00:48:57 painted this, Picasso painted this. They can
00:48:57 --> 00:49:01 both be beautiful. Yeah. It's not, fuck Michelangelo
00:49:01 --> 00:49:04 because I'm rocking with Picasso, man. I'm rocking
00:49:04 --> 00:49:08 with him. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, why is music like
00:49:08 --> 00:49:11 that now? I don't know. It sucks. Like, can't
00:49:11 --> 00:49:13 we just admit Kendrick Lamar and Drake are great
00:49:13 --> 00:49:15 artists? Can't we just be like, yo, bro, these
00:49:15 --> 00:49:18 dudes are good at what they do. Yeah. And to
00:49:18 --> 00:49:19 say they're not on either side, you're just an
00:49:19 --> 00:49:22 idiot. Yeah. They've been relevant for like fucking
00:49:22 --> 00:49:25 20 years, bro. Yeah, you can't But I don't care
00:49:25 --> 00:49:27 if you believe in mainstream culture or not,
00:49:27 --> 00:49:29 but you don't make garbage music for 20 years
00:49:29 --> 00:49:31 and stay top of the headlines There's some songs
00:49:31 --> 00:49:34 that are good Yeah, they just that's just the
00:49:34 --> 00:49:36 way people are it's insane. It's just the way
00:49:36 --> 00:49:38 life is it's so weird Don't know why I don't
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41 get it like I get the people like the drama and
00:49:41 --> 00:49:44 I get the sides of it and I get like in sport
00:49:44 --> 00:49:46 like the sport of idea of it of like Fuck the
00:49:46 --> 00:49:50 Packers like I get I get the concept but like
00:49:50 --> 00:49:52 right you don't Let's be real. Y 'all all know
00:49:52 --> 00:49:55 the songs. You know the words to the songs. You
00:49:55 --> 00:49:58 sing the song. Can you stop pretending? You've
00:49:58 --> 00:50:00 heard the songs. You've heard the beats. I don't
00:50:00 --> 00:50:02 care who you are. If you're a Drake fan, if you're
00:50:02 --> 00:50:05 a Kendrick fan, you've heard the opposite. Everybody's
00:50:05 --> 00:50:09 heard Humble. Everybody's heard God Plan. Maybe
00:50:09 --> 00:50:14 this would be cool to hear. I listen to every
00:50:14 --> 00:50:16 big artist's music, regardless if I like them
00:50:16 --> 00:50:19 or not. Because I look at it like breaking down
00:50:19 --> 00:50:21 film. Like I said, coach mentality, right? So
00:50:21 --> 00:50:24 I'm like, what are my competitors doing that
00:50:24 --> 00:50:26 are that they have so much more money than me,
00:50:26 --> 00:50:28 but what are they doing with outside of that?
00:50:28 --> 00:50:30 Like, is their content better than mine or do
00:50:30 --> 00:50:33 they just have more reach? Yeah. So that's a
00:50:33 --> 00:50:36 common battle I'm having. Like, is this guy really
00:50:36 --> 00:50:40 better than me or is it like he's paying a producer
00:50:40 --> 00:50:43 that makes millions to fucking promote his shit?
00:50:44 --> 00:50:46 Like if you have a fucking Metro booming tag,
00:50:46 --> 00:50:49 you're going to get 500 K views. Right. Automatic.
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52 So it's not a matter of if the views happen,
00:50:52 --> 00:50:54 it's a matter of if the saves happen. People
00:50:54 --> 00:50:57 are still fucking with the song after. Yeah.
00:50:57 --> 00:51:01 Yeah. That's why they say the, what do you call
00:51:01 --> 00:51:05 it? I don't know why I'm forgetting the word,
00:51:06 --> 00:51:09 but it's funny because I want to say interface.
00:51:09 --> 00:51:15 Yeah. It's like yeah for context we were talking
00:51:15 --> 00:51:17 about how we couldn't remember the word interface
00:51:17 --> 00:51:19 and now the only thing I'm thinking is fucking
00:51:19 --> 00:51:22 interface, but but just like the when you're
00:51:22 --> 00:51:26 When you're you know engaging in the content
00:51:26 --> 00:51:29 and you're gauging in the in the you know the
00:51:29 --> 00:51:31 comment section and all that shit like you know,
00:51:31 --> 00:51:33 whatever Whatever the word is, I'm thinking.
00:51:33 --> 00:51:36 But anyway. Interaction? Interaction, I think.
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38 Is that what you're looking for? Yeah, the interactions
00:51:38 --> 00:51:40 and all that stuff like that. All of that comes
00:51:40 --> 00:51:43 into play in this weird fucking thing. I didn't
00:51:43 --> 00:51:45 even know that until I started getting into this.
00:51:46 --> 00:51:49 I started getting into this thinking, I'm like,
00:51:49 --> 00:51:51 I just want to give a platform where comedians
00:51:51 --> 00:51:54 can come on and just talk to each other. And
00:51:54 --> 00:51:57 I didn't realize until anything, any minuscule
00:51:57 --> 00:52:00 amount of popularity happened with it. That's
00:52:00 --> 00:52:02 when I started to realize, I'm like, People are
00:52:02 --> 00:52:04 choosing sides now. And I was like, how the fuck
00:52:04 --> 00:52:07 did this come to that? I wasn't even trying to
00:52:07 --> 00:52:09 do that. Bro, you know what's awesome though?
00:52:11 --> 00:52:13 My whole theory with reactions is like, bro,
00:52:13 --> 00:52:17 it's so clear and obvious, who cares? It's so
00:52:17 --> 00:52:19 clear and obvious, who cares when they're responding?
00:52:20 --> 00:52:23 And I never care, ever. I'll respond to some
00:52:23 --> 00:52:26 shit just because it's funny. Bro, I just had
00:52:26 --> 00:52:29 a quote on my post that was from the Bible. And
00:52:29 --> 00:52:30 they were trying to say that's not true. So I
00:52:30 --> 00:52:33 just wrote the Bible verse, like just went where
00:52:33 --> 00:52:36 it is in the Bible. And I was like, and people
00:52:36 --> 00:52:38 would be like, like, look at you, like correcting
00:52:38 --> 00:52:40 this person. I'm like, I didn't say, fuck you.
00:52:40 --> 00:52:42 I didn't like talk shit. I was just like, yeah,
00:52:43 --> 00:52:45 I was just citing my source real quick. Yeah.
00:52:45 --> 00:52:47 You were just, you just put it out there, you
00:52:47 --> 00:52:50 know? And it's like, I don't know. Like, I think
00:52:50 --> 00:52:51 there are people out there who they put, they
00:52:51 --> 00:52:56 put stuff out to, to get you to engage. I think
00:52:56 --> 00:52:57 that's the word I was looking for, engagement.
00:52:58 --> 00:53:01 But yeah, people would get you to engage, what
00:53:01 --> 00:53:02 do they call it, rage baiting? Things like that.
00:53:03 --> 00:53:05 That's how they want to do it and stuff like
00:53:05 --> 00:53:08 that. And I fell victim to it, honestly. I did
00:53:08 --> 00:53:10 the whole thing where I was in the comments,
00:53:10 --> 00:53:12 like, oh, fuck you, and defending everything.
00:53:12 --> 00:53:14 And then I was like, oh, this is stupid. I fell
00:53:14 --> 00:53:18 for it. Yeah, I never really get upset by anything
00:53:18 --> 00:53:21 people say. Like, bro, I was a fucking five foot
00:53:21 --> 00:53:26 two ginger Jew fucking dork. I love that there's
00:53:26 --> 00:53:28 a joke in there. Absolutely like you think I
00:53:28 --> 00:53:31 like do you think I like get like heaven like
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33 it's like the Matt rife joke It's like I don't
00:53:33 --> 00:53:34 know if it was Matt rife, but if somebody but
00:53:34 --> 00:53:37 he was like anything you could say to me I haven't
00:53:37 --> 00:53:39 said to myself three inches from the mirror.
00:53:39 --> 00:53:41 Yeah, you know what I mean? Like it's like M
00:53:41 --> 00:53:44 &M has a thing like yeah, and on a kamikaze album.
00:53:44 --> 00:53:46 I think yeah Yeah, yeah, I've heard all of it
00:53:46 --> 00:53:48 bro and like right most of the time. It's not
00:53:48 --> 00:53:52 even funny. I'm like bro. I like Do you like
00:53:52 --> 00:53:56 make a good one? The dude, so about the whole
00:53:56 --> 00:53:58 ginger thing, my fucking, you see my family is
00:53:58 --> 00:54:00 like, they're all like gingers. They're all redheads
00:54:00 --> 00:54:03 and things like that. My mom, like my freaking,
00:54:03 --> 00:54:07 my nephews, like I've got like two nephews. Like
00:54:07 --> 00:54:10 I'm talking like fire, fire, red hair, things
00:54:10 --> 00:54:12 like that. Even my beard, it's like, it's weird.
00:54:12 --> 00:54:14 Like my beard gets like super red, but I wasn't,
00:54:14 --> 00:54:17 I'm not a redhead. But yeah, man, like, so whenever
00:54:17 --> 00:54:20 I heard all that shit, like growing up, I was
00:54:20 --> 00:54:22 like, what are you fucking talking about? You
00:54:22 --> 00:54:23 know what I mean? I'm like, dude, this is like,
00:54:23 --> 00:54:25 I don't understand that. But like, I really don't
00:54:25 --> 00:54:28 get it. So what kind of hate have you gotten
00:54:28 --> 00:54:31 for just simply being a ginger? No, I never hate
00:54:31 --> 00:54:34 for being a ginger. Well, actually, there's girls
00:54:34 --> 00:54:35 that are just like, I would never go after a
00:54:35 --> 00:54:39 ginger. Why? I don't know. But there's also the
00:54:39 --> 00:54:41 opposite. There's girls that are like, you're
00:54:41 --> 00:54:43 a ginger, you're hot. Only gingers. It's like,
00:54:44 --> 00:54:46 you're a ginger. Like, oh shit. I've experienced
00:54:46 --> 00:54:49 both sides of it. Oh, OK. I don't think like
00:54:49 --> 00:54:51 you get any negative social scrutiny. I'm just
00:54:51 --> 00:54:53 saying like you're an odd you're just you look
00:54:53 --> 00:54:55 different like it's just Yeah, I don't know.
00:54:55 --> 00:54:58 I don't think it's bad. I just think like it's
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00 you're unique So it's easy to point out that
00:55:00 --> 00:55:02 you're ginger. You're everybody's it's not that
00:55:02 --> 00:55:04 it's a bad thing Just everybody points you out
00:55:04 --> 00:55:06 because I forget what the percentage is. It's
00:55:06 --> 00:55:09 like a really low percentage of people bro I
00:55:09 --> 00:55:11 have so many things like that, but I'm ambidextrous
00:55:11 --> 00:55:13 like I could write with both hands. Oh no shit,
00:55:13 --> 00:55:17 and I'm ginger I play hockey and I rap like that
00:55:17 --> 00:55:20 is like the most like Bro, like everything in
00:55:20 --> 00:55:22 that is so rare. That's fucking awesome though
00:55:22 --> 00:55:24 So like that's kind of why I guess I feel like
00:55:24 --> 00:55:26 I have no fear because I feel like I'm already
00:55:26 --> 00:55:28 so unique Like people ask me all the time like
00:55:28 --> 00:55:30 would you ever get a tattoo? I'm like, bro. Aren't
00:55:30 --> 00:55:32 I unique enough, bro? I don't need to like pay
00:55:32 --> 00:55:35 to put some more unique shit on me, you know,
00:55:35 --> 00:55:38 I'm like I already got it all like Pretty fucking
00:55:38 --> 00:55:40 unique guy. Yeah, dude. That's why that that
00:55:40 --> 00:55:43 is fucking awesome. I love I love the self recognition
00:55:43 --> 00:55:45 I love the confidence. I love that you're just
00:55:45 --> 00:55:47 like, you know, you're putting it out there,
00:55:47 --> 00:55:49 you know, for yourself and everything. I know,
00:55:49 --> 00:55:53 like, I don't know, like, I think that one thing
00:55:53 --> 00:55:55 I've realized, so I've done psychedelics in my
00:55:55 --> 00:55:58 life, like mushrooms and LSD. I fucking love
00:55:58 --> 00:56:00 psychedelics. I love psychedelics too. And one
00:56:00 --> 00:56:03 thing I've learned from doing psychedelics is
00:56:03 --> 00:56:05 that you don't realize how many people don't
00:56:05 --> 00:56:10 know who they are. Right. And for me, that's
00:56:10 --> 00:56:12 not been a problem for such a long time. Like
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15 it wasn't obviously I didn't always know but
00:56:15 --> 00:56:18 like yeah That for I figured it out so early
00:56:18 --> 00:56:21 like who I wanted to be and how I was gonna get
00:56:21 --> 00:56:24 there Yeah, so I used to write I used to have
00:56:24 --> 00:56:28 a dream journal Yes, so when I dream I'd write
00:56:28 --> 00:56:30 the memory. I used to also have a way better
00:56:30 --> 00:56:33 memory than I do today Fucking psychedelics dude.
00:56:33 --> 00:56:36 It was good I used to be able to like recite
00:56:36 --> 00:56:38 whole like like if I wrote in the dream journal
00:56:38 --> 00:56:40 I could recite it from memory like later that
00:56:40 --> 00:56:43 day Like the way I wrote it down boys want to
00:56:43 --> 00:56:46 do um, but yeah, eventually I gave up on it But
00:56:46 --> 00:56:47 one of these days I was writing in the dream
00:56:47 --> 00:56:49 journal and I was like turning like what if my
00:56:49 --> 00:56:52 life I would got bullied that day and I came
00:56:52 --> 00:56:54 home I didn't tell nobody I was just reading
00:56:54 --> 00:56:57 the end of the night and I was just writing down
00:56:57 --> 00:57:00 what I would change about who I am today Like
00:57:00 --> 00:57:01 I was like what would be dope like just like
00:57:01 --> 00:57:04 let's put bullshit. Let's put serious shit So
00:57:04 --> 00:57:05 one thing I put I was like, I'm gonna have a
00:57:05 --> 00:57:09 ton of hockey jerseys And I was like, all right,
00:57:09 --> 00:57:11 that's achievable. We can start that collection.
00:57:11 --> 00:57:13 My thought process was I'm going to grow eventually.
00:57:13 --> 00:57:16 I'll just get bigger jerseys and eventually they'll
00:57:16 --> 00:57:18 fit me. So I started doing that. I was like,
00:57:18 --> 00:57:20 I want to be an athlete. Like I was like, anybody
00:57:20 --> 00:57:23 could be smart. I was like, I want to be athletic
00:57:23 --> 00:57:26 and smart. I'm saying so I was like boom so I
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28 was not good at sports until like I was like
00:57:28 --> 00:57:31 older like until I was like 12 or 15 but like
00:57:31 --> 00:57:33 as a little little kid I was not athletic like
00:57:33 --> 00:57:35 I was not good at sports mm -hmm so then I was
00:57:35 --> 00:57:37 I'm gonna play basketball and hockey those are
00:57:37 --> 00:57:39 the ones and I started hockey at nine years old
00:57:39 --> 00:57:43 and I wasn't good until I was like 16 like I
00:57:43 --> 00:57:46 was like bad like genuinely bad oh yeah yeah
00:57:46 --> 00:57:49 not a good player I would say the first year
00:57:49 --> 00:57:53 I had success I was 13 but My team was just so
00:57:53 --> 00:57:56 dog shit that I had to do something like we just
00:57:56 --> 00:58:00 were that bad So like it wasn't that I was that
00:58:00 --> 00:58:01 good. It was just I was playing on a terrible
00:58:01 --> 00:58:05 team in a terrible league um, but then once I
00:58:05 --> 00:58:07 like actually I'd say like right as I was graduating
00:58:07 --> 00:58:10 high school. I started getting good at every
00:58:10 --> 00:58:13 sport like every sport I feel like I can compete
00:58:13 --> 00:58:15 pretty at a high level now, right? Yeah, but
00:58:15 --> 00:58:17 so that was like a big thing and I was like your
00:58:17 --> 00:58:20 the time when your confidence was sort of growing.
00:58:20 --> 00:58:23 Yeah Yeah, so I it started off was like, okay
00:58:23 --> 00:58:25 I understand what I'm good at and I understand
00:58:25 --> 00:58:27 what I'm being hindered by not by my capabilities
00:58:27 --> 00:58:30 But bit by like just physical capabilities. Yeah,
00:58:30 --> 00:58:32 so I was like bro. You're skinny as hell. You're
00:58:32 --> 00:58:36 weak You're not that good at sports and you're
00:58:36 --> 00:58:38 fucking goofy looking like you're a fucking ginger
00:58:38 --> 00:58:40 tiny little dude Like you're goofy looking, you
00:58:40 --> 00:58:42 know, yeah putting yourself down a little bit
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44 Yeah, like, you know, it's not even that I had
00:58:44 --> 00:58:47 confidence. Although that was true. It was like
00:58:47 --> 00:58:49 self for recognition Like, it was like, I could
00:58:49 --> 00:58:51 tell you, I don't know, an appearance, even today,
00:58:51 --> 00:58:53 I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm like a five out of
00:58:53 --> 00:58:55 10. But that doesn't mean I think I'm ugly. I'm
00:58:55 --> 00:58:58 just like... You feel like you're just being
00:58:58 --> 00:59:00 realistic with yourself. That was me in my freshman
00:59:00 --> 00:59:03 year of high school. That's a good picture, though.
00:59:04 --> 00:59:06 Actually, I get a lot from that picture. You
00:59:06 --> 00:59:08 should send me that. Would you mind me actually
00:59:08 --> 00:59:10 putting that into the... Absolutely. Okay, cool.
00:59:11 --> 00:59:13 Because I think there's something to that, though,
00:59:13 --> 00:59:14 because we've all gone through those stages.
00:59:15 --> 00:59:17 You know in life like I don't have many pictures
00:59:17 --> 00:59:19 because when I was younger, uh, we didn't have
00:59:19 --> 00:59:23 like Cell phones like this like we had like nokia
00:59:23 --> 00:59:25 cell phones. So there was no pictures. You weren't
00:59:25 --> 00:59:28 taking pictures and um, and so I don't have many
00:59:28 --> 00:59:30 pictures of me like that Yeah, you know, I wish
00:59:30 --> 00:59:34 I did and uh, yeah But it kind of it kind of
00:59:34 --> 00:59:35 grows to show like it shows you everybody kind
00:59:35 --> 00:59:38 of has to come out of their shell You know, everybody
00:59:38 --> 00:59:40 has to grow everybody has to learn who they are.
00:59:40 --> 00:59:44 I think um another thing that unfortunately is
00:59:44 --> 00:59:49 not a candid event. You need that person, regardless
00:59:49 --> 00:59:52 of if it's your friend, if it's an uncle, you
00:59:52 --> 00:59:55 need a male perspective in your life that is
00:59:55 --> 00:59:57 going to bully the shit out of you. Like someone
00:59:57 --> 00:59:59 to tell you all the things that are bad about
00:59:59 --> 01:00:02 you are bad. Like I'm not saying tell you everything
01:00:02 --> 01:00:04 good about you is bad, but if you do something
01:00:04 --> 01:00:07 that's not good, you need that person to be like...
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10 Stop doing that yeah, you respect constructive
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12 criticism and even if it's your best friend like
01:00:12 --> 01:00:15 bro my best friend in high school yeah Physically
01:00:15 --> 01:00:17 beat the shit out of me sometimes because I would
01:00:17 --> 01:00:20 do dumb shit just a dumb shit And it wouldn't
01:00:20 --> 01:00:22 even be like he beat the fuck out of me like
01:00:22 --> 01:00:24 he would just hit me twice and be like dude Why
01:00:24 --> 01:00:27 did you do that? You know fucking doing? Yeah?
01:00:27 --> 01:00:29 Yeah, and at some point I realized okay like
01:00:30 --> 01:00:32 He's your friend. Like, he's the only one hanging
01:00:32 --> 01:00:34 out with you. He's the only one defending you
01:00:34 --> 01:00:37 and being real with you. Yeah. So a lot of people
01:00:37 --> 01:00:39 are so insecure that the first time they get
01:00:39 --> 01:00:42 a real friend, they cut that person off. Right.
01:00:42 --> 01:00:44 So they end up in these weird spots where they
01:00:44 --> 01:00:47 have yes men. They have people that aren't really
01:00:47 --> 01:00:49 their friend and just there for the day at the
01:00:49 --> 01:00:52 entertainment value. Right. Yeah. Like, it's
01:00:52 --> 01:00:54 back to the vulnerability. It's like I'm vulnerable
01:00:54 --> 01:00:57 in any situation. I'm completely open book. If
01:00:57 --> 01:01:00 they fuck with that, then I can meet a good friend.
01:01:00 --> 01:01:03 If they don't fuck with that, then I don't have
01:01:03 --> 01:01:06 to waste my time. So it's not like, oh, fuck
01:01:06 --> 01:01:08 you if you don't like me. It's like, I'm just
01:01:08 --> 01:01:12 not gonna talk to you. Like, okay. Yeah, like,
01:01:12 --> 01:01:14 all right, like, cool. I wish you the best. I'm
01:01:14 --> 01:01:17 praying for you. But I'm not like. Yeah, you
01:01:17 --> 01:01:19 kind of remind me of somebody who might just.
01:01:19 --> 01:01:23 need a need honing like a sword like on a honing
01:01:23 --> 01:01:25 stone or something like that like you just do
01:01:25 --> 01:01:26 you just want somebody to sharpen you keep you
01:01:26 --> 01:01:29 sharp yeah you know and i like that too i like
01:01:29 --> 01:01:31 when people like i like when people give me constructive
01:01:31 --> 01:01:34 criticism i don't like when like i get kind of
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36 pissed off when people just go like oh you suck
01:01:36 --> 01:01:39 it's like all right that's well whatever but
01:01:39 --> 01:01:41 just tell me like why yeah you know what i mean
01:01:41 --> 01:01:44 like why do you think that i suck or like why
01:01:44 --> 01:01:46 do you think that whatever i'm doing doesn't
01:01:46 --> 01:01:49 work That kind of thing, it's like, I need more.
01:01:49 --> 01:01:51 I almost think that that's always rage bait.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:55 Oh yeah, 100%. So like, I know that, and like,
01:01:55 --> 01:01:58 bro, a lot of people claim to be over -thinkers.
01:01:58 --> 01:02:00 I don't think I'm an over -thinker, I think I'm
01:02:00 --> 01:02:03 analytical. I think I'm always constantly like,
01:02:03 --> 01:02:06 alright, this is the situation. If I do this,
01:02:06 --> 01:02:10 this happens. So I'm gonna do this. Yeah. People
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11 are like, oh, you're an over -thinker because
01:02:11 --> 01:02:13 you're analyzing something. I'm like, no, over
01:02:13 --> 01:02:15 -thinker means that you're going to over -think
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 something and cause a bigger conflict for yourself
01:02:17 --> 01:02:19 because you're like, you know what I mean? I
01:02:19 --> 01:02:21 never am thinking so much to the point where
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25 I feel like it's causing me angst. You know what
01:02:25 --> 01:02:29 I mean? I'm just like, why would I escalate this
01:02:29 --> 01:02:32 right now? I could. If I say this, it might escalate
01:02:32 --> 01:02:34 this. So why would I take that chance? And then
01:02:34 --> 01:02:38 I'm like, all right, I'm going to. Yeah, yeah,
01:02:38 --> 01:02:40 yeah, let's run it back. I'm also a very analytical
01:02:40 --> 01:02:43 person like I tend to just kind of get into Like
01:02:43 --> 01:02:45 I look at one scenario would be like, okay cool
01:02:45 --> 01:02:48 Like there's point a and point B and then I'll
01:02:48 --> 01:02:51 just be like, okay How many different ways is
01:02:51 --> 01:02:53 it gonna take to get from here to there? And
01:02:53 --> 01:02:55 then basically like, you know by the time I get
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57 there and some shit fucks up then I'm like, okay
01:02:57 --> 01:02:59 I've already thought about that happening, you
01:02:59 --> 01:03:02 know, but I just like to I just like to know
01:03:02 --> 01:03:04 like all the contingencies and have that in place
01:03:04 --> 01:03:06 and stuff like that. Like I said, it's like the
01:03:06 --> 01:03:08 reason why I kind of make this notebook and everything
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09 is just kind of like, yeah, I just like to have
01:03:09 --> 01:03:12 everything like right there. But I learned that
01:03:12 --> 01:03:16 about myself through years of just fucking pissing
01:03:16 --> 01:03:18 in the wind. Yeah. Making a lot of mistakes.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:21 It's a weird thing when you have an understanding
01:03:21 --> 01:03:24 of things when you're younger than like when
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26 you have an understanding of something earlier
01:03:26 --> 01:03:28 than you're supposed to. Yeah. So like because
01:03:28 --> 01:03:31 people don't respect a young kid's opinion. Know
01:03:31 --> 01:03:33 I mean like right so they're like a lot of the
01:03:33 --> 01:03:35 things that I used that I think obviously are
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 more fine -tuned now But there's similar opinions
01:03:37 --> 01:03:39 to that I have when I was really young mm -hmm
01:03:39 --> 01:03:42 So I'm like bro like when I was 12. I said, I'm
01:03:42 --> 01:03:44 not going to college Okay, and they were like
01:03:44 --> 01:03:49 why I was like cuz I can talk my way past 90
01:03:49 --> 01:03:51 % of the jobs that a college degree opens the
01:03:51 --> 01:03:54 doors to Okay, and the ones that it doesn't I
01:03:54 --> 01:03:57 don't want those jobs Yeah, so you you wanted
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 to tackle a different area. I was like, but if
01:03:59 --> 01:04:03 I wanted to be a Fucking manager at a store that
01:04:03 --> 01:04:05 I've got no experience to I would talk my way
01:04:05 --> 01:04:07 in the door I'd be like bro. You don't have to
01:04:07 --> 01:04:08 pay me for a week and show you I'll show you
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10 my motor I'll show you what I could do for the
01:04:10 --> 01:04:12 team and just the balls of doing that and having
01:04:12 --> 01:04:14 the ability to communicate and talk to people
01:04:14 --> 01:04:16 gives you so many openings to doors that you
01:04:16 --> 01:04:18 wouldn't have if you were an awkward intelligent
01:04:18 --> 01:04:22 kid that got a straight a 4 .0 GPA college top
01:04:22 --> 01:04:24 of your class, but if you can't talk to people
01:04:24 --> 01:04:27 that You just lost so much value, regardless
01:04:27 --> 01:04:30 of what your accomplishments are. Yeah. My perspective
01:04:30 --> 01:04:32 is that I've always wanted to go to college,
01:04:32 --> 01:04:36 but I just didn't have it set up for me, and
01:04:36 --> 01:04:38 I didn't know what to do and where to go, the
01:04:38 --> 01:04:41 next thing. And every time I tried to get there,
01:04:41 --> 01:04:44 it was almost like life just cut me short. You
01:04:44 --> 01:04:46 know, I don't know. But hey, man, yeah, I think
01:04:46 --> 01:04:48 that's pretty much, like, wrapping it up right
01:04:48 --> 01:04:51 now, dude. But dude, like, thank you so much,
01:04:51 --> 01:04:53 man. I really appreciate you coming on and everything.
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01:05:24 --> 01:05:26 again, man. I really appreciate you coming on,
01:05:26 --> 01:05:28 man. And hell yeah, dude, it was definitely a
01:05:28 --> 01:05:30 fun discussion for sure. So, all right, cool.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:33 And that is a wrap. Thank you. For another episode
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